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A Mary Sue is an idealized character meant to be the Author Avatar (a character who shares traits with the author like name, appearance, beliefs, etc.) or a self-insert character for the reader to live through. Common Sue traits (note, having a few of these to a degree doesn’t necessarily make a true Sue):

-Exceptionally popular/gets lots of attention, even if the Sue is *supposed* to be shy, anti-social, or socially awkward. People are drawn to her, her advice is great, and she’s trusted fairly quickly.

-Only people who challenge or dislike the Sue are portrayed as mean, stupid, or villainous (and usually get a comeuppance)

-Has no real flaws, or ones that are meant to be endearing and relatable (popular ones are clumsiness, temper, awkward, and stubbornness) that are justified by the author or not even intentionally written. These ‘flaws’ will ONLY help her, never hurt her because she’s always right. (For example, she’s rightfully stubborn against something bad or she loses her temper on someone who deserves it.)

-She doesn’t have to suffer consequences for selfish, bad, or reckless behavior

-Exceptionally beautiful, often with exotic traits like unusual coloring meant to make her stand out physically.

-Magical tools/weapons

-Magical abilities/traits like wings, healing factor, immortality, etc.

-Unusual pet(s)

-is a Woobie (has a tragic past or crappy life) but is still perfect/likable despite what happened.

-Exceptionally talented or good at things the author deems good. The Sue might be bad at things the author considers stupid (girly things like sewing, fashion, etc. but good at “boyish” stuff or things outside the norm like fighting, reading, or weapons are common). Even if the talent/skill isn’t realistic for the time period (like being a scholar or warrior when you're a medieval peasant, for example).

-Usually or always get their way even when she’s actually in the wrong. Never gets called out for being wrong, but if they do, the person calling them out is portrayed as a jerk (see above). If she does do something wrong, she’s remorseful and is instantly forgiven.

-Good fashion sense, even if she’s meant to be a rough-and-tumble type or one who doesn’t care about clothes and is effortlessly attractive. Male characters will often comment on how they like this about her.

-Is a Special Snowflake who “isn’t like the other girls”. Something unique, physically or personality-wise, sets her apart from everyone else.

-A Friend to All Living Things. Animals like her and she loves everyone and forgives their imperfections. Willing to protect or risk all for someone she just met recently.

Summed up, the Mary Sue is meant to stand out from everyone else in a good way and is generally portrayed as the ideal character/role model, very cool and universally relatable, usually. Anyone who dislikes the Sue is the one portrayed as in the wrong.

Everyone and their mom knows it: Ariel is flawed and the movie makes that obvious. I DO think she's portrayed as likeable and who you're supposed to root for, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's idealized. The people call her out (Sebastian and Triton) aren't portrayed as stupid or cruel, just strict and serious.

She's definitely a Manic Pixie Dreamgirl, but I don't know if Mary Sues are really that.

Her or Cinderella are my votes. Cinderella's flaws aren't really addressed, but she's pretty realistic and has moments of pretty human reactions (hitting a mean cat, making fun of the stepsisters) and actually made a pretty bad choice (realized when her foot fit the shoe she'd get to leave with the Duke so she pretty much gives away that it was her at the ball and screws herself over). I think she's idealized, but pretty human and not perfect at all.

If she is still around next round i am going to cry

I don't see how she is a Mary Sue at all! I definitely think she should go this round. If not, then Ariel.

She is very rebellious and her choice to become human is egotistical.

It's getting harder. Ariel is full of flaws, but she "gets her way when in the wrong and everybody kinda forgives her instantly." And she is exceptionally beautiful with rare coloring. She's also very good at singing and very likable.

Pocahontas meanwhile stands out less. She doesn't have a special talent. But then, her flaws are not so noted. So it's either her or Ariel.

How is she still here? She definitely is not a sue. It's weird that Jasmine left. Except for special powers she has nothing in common with a Mary sue.

Or Ariel.

movie gives her flaws consquences

Poca too

The same as before. Ariel, Elsa, and Pocahontas are the only other ones that I think are not really Mary Sues, the rest have more of a sue feel. Anyway, Mulan just doesn't seem like a Mary Sue to me, even if she does have some sue traits but all DPs do.

Even more so than Mulan, granted Mulan is FAR from a Mary-Sue just Pocahontas more so.

Not to me.

Why not? Elsa has a LOT of Sue qualities- woobie, unique powers, unique coloring (well, hair colored by magic), magic pets, special and different from everyone else, you're supposed to see everything she does as sensible and right but feel for/with her when she overreacts and thinks of herself, not think of it as, well, overreacting and thinking of herself.

I think Poca, like the others, is a Purity Sue, not a full Mary, but I see where others are coming from when they've called her that (only a few people though). People see her as a pillar of strength and wisdom- and she's so young! She's different from the rest of her tribe and is rather morally superior to others, mostly John, in a rather Belle-ish way.

Still voting.

*sigh*Rapunzel is going to win,isn't she?