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REAL guys read REAL commentaren made about sports reporters Sarah Spain and Julie DiCaro – to their faces. A pretty depressing PSA about women in sports from Just Not Sports, April 2016.
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DarkSarcasm Go back to your damn caves, you disgusting neanderthals with internet access. Ugh.
misanthrope86 This is [i]awesome[/i]. Love that they got men to say those things and show that men actually are not ok with that kind of abuse, so this isn't just an issue from a feminist or female perspective. Fucking brilliant, as horrible as it is.
audreygrace412 I think this is awful and serves no real purpose other than forcing these women to listen to these negative comments to their faces. A real impact would be to have the people who say and write these comments to actually be the ones to say them to these women's faces. Putting men in an uncomfortable position for what [i]other men[/i] say is just wrong and sexist.
DarkSarcasm So your issue is that these few men who voluntarily sat down to read mean tweets felt awkward about it, not that these things were said in the first place?
Sarah and Julie read these comments beforehand. They knew what was coming. They were not "forced" to hear these things. They volunteered to be a part of this video to send a message.
The men who actually wrote these awful things wouldn't say them to a woman's face, because they are cowards. If you wouldn't say it to someone's face, don't type it. That is the purpose of the video: to hopefully make [i]someone[/i] think twice about the effect their words can have on another human being.
Bibi69 This is awful! Some people shouldn't have access to internet. And I also agree with missy, I'm glad they showed that men are not okay with that sort of abuse.
audreygrace412 DarkSarcasm, No that's not my issue at all. My issue is that I don't think this does anything to stop the men who said these things originally from saying them by having a different group of men being forced to say them that already don't speak like that. My issue is that this would've made more positive impact if it made the people responsible for the comments pay the consequences of seeing the women's reactions live rather than forcing some men to pay for other men's comments. My issue is that these women had to sit through these horrible comments and it's not even likely to send the message they want it to or at least to the people it's intended for unless it's only meant for people who already don't like those comments?
misanthrope86 This PSA is about [i]social change[/i]. The idea is to educate widely to effect socio-cultural shifts. Videos like these can draw attention to the issue and start conversations about how we interact with each other online, and this can produce more socially minded exchanges online, and in person.
audreygrace412 Do we at least know who/what they were quoting other than presumably males? Were they comments made by males?
misanthrope86 At the very least, the vast majority of the abuse is coming from accounts that explicitly identify as male.
audreygrace412 ^ How do we know that?
misanthrope86 Research.
audreygrace412 ^ It just seems like a sexist agenda to me to portray that all of these comments are made by men to women without providing any evidence.
DarkSarcasm ^It seems like you're missing the point, which is that people just need to stop being assholes.
misanthrope86 ^^ Please research the word "research".
audreygrace412 DarkSarcasm, if that was the point then why not have both men and women reading nasty comments about people of both genders?
misanthrope86, if I have to research to figure out that it is or is not just men as implied then how is the agenda not sexist?
misanthrope86 Again, I think you do not understand gender here... This is a gendered issue...
I would respectfully suggest that you are not familiar with the research in the area, or the experiences of the women featured in the video and other women like them, that would enable you to fully engage with this PSA on a critical level.
"[i]if I have to research to figure out that it is or is not just men as implied then how is the agenda not sexist?[/i]"
- Please clarify... are you irked here that you have been asked to consider... learning...?
I'm not asking you to conduct your own study. I am asking you to educate yourself about the issue here so that you may more fully understand it before you comment or make erroneous claims about it.
audreygrace412 I'm sorry, you're right, I don't understand. I don't see how this could be a gendered issue when both genders do it to each other?
How is discussing and sharing with others not fully engaging? Are you saying that I need to be an expert or well researched on a subject to simply discuss it with others?
If the point of this video is to show that no one should be harassing anyone than why does it show only men insulting women? That is where it makes me think it is a sexist agenda because the ad tells me it's just men on women whereas I have to go out of my way past the ad in order to find the information that you're telling me it was already giving from the beginning? That doesn't make sense to me.
"I'm not asking you to conduct your own study. I am asking you to educate yourself about the issue here so that you may more fully understand it before you comment or make erroneous claims about it."
^ I find this to be quite rude and contentious. It is very impolite for you to tell me that my [b]opinion[/b] is wrong when it is clearly based on subjective perception. The ad doesn't say anything about this being exclusively a gender issue, it is just implied that way. [i]The fact of the matter is, both men and women experience these kinds of comments and I find it very improper for you to tell me that I am wrong for trying to give my opinion on how I perceived this ad as well as what I thought could have been done instead to make it more effective. Especially when I have done so in a polite and respectful manner towards yourself and everyone else here.[/i]
Is there a reason you provided a wink face with your comment? In every social circle I have ever been in, the context of your comments with that wink face is completely disrespectful so I would like to ask your intent instead of assuming based on experience.
misanthrope86 "[i]I don't see how this could be a gendered issue when both genders do it to each other?[/i]"
- This comment demonstrates that you aren't quite sure what "gendered" means, hence how this discussion started.
"[i]Are you saying that I need to be an expert or well researched on a subject to simply discuss it with others?[/i]"
- Nope. I'm saying that if someone suggests that maybe you don't have all the info you need to be making claims about an issue, you could find out a little bit more about the issue.
"[i]If the point of this video is to show that no one should be harassing anyone than why does it show only men insulting women?[/i]"
- Because online abuse is gendered, particularly in the sports industry/community.
"[i]I have to go out of my way past the ad in order to find the information that you're telling me[/i]"
- This issue seems to be out of your realm of experience. Consider yourself lucky. This video, and the people commenting here, are attempting to explain to you that this is a gendered issue of importance.
Coolio. Your claims that this video promotes a sexist agenda are erroneous. Your "opinion" is based on faulty assumptions. If you don't care to understand why, that's on you.
"[i]The ad doesn't say anything about this being exclusively a gender issue, it is just implied that way.[/i]"
- Exactly. So this is outside your experience, yes? Congratulations. Not evidence of sexism, however. Again, I hope you choose to learn some more about that rather than continuing to defend a position you have just kinda admitted is not informed on the issue.
I do not feel as though you have been respectful here at all. You seem particularly uninterested in listening to any perspective, let alone understanding it.
In my experience, winks are for funsies, for lightening the mood... So I guess if we don't understand something, it might simply mean that we don't understand it, eh...? ... rather than it being about an agenda....? So we ask...? And we learn stuff...?! Cool.
audreygrace412 I have researched and the research tells me that men and women face equal abuse like this so again, I don't understand how this is a gendered issue when both genders do it to equally to each other. How does insulting me about the definition of 'gendered' progress our conversation? I know what it means, clearly, but the research I have seen does not say that. Please try to be civil as I am with you.
Is there any reason why you would rather criticize me about my level of experience with the subject instead of trying to be considerate and helpful on it? Is there something I did other than try to give my opinion and try to understand that bothers you?
"Because online abuse is gendered, particularly in the sports industry/community."
^ Thank you for sharing that, I have never seen any research whatsoever to suggest this.
"This video, and the people commenting here, are attempting to explain to you that this is a gendered issue of importance."
^ DarkSarcasm told me "It seems like you're missing the point, which is that people just need to stop being assholes." which made me believe that they thought it also was not a gender specific issue but people issue, my mistake then.
The video shows me men reading comments about women but doesn't even tell me if men made them, it's all implied which makes me question the agenda.
"If you don't care to understand why, that's on you."
^ Does that explain why I am having this discussion with you? Because I don't care? I would appreciate it if you weren't so rude to me and lying about me when I am clearly trying to understand. I can only start with my opinion and go from there and it's not based on faulty assumptions, it's based on sensible evidence of what I see directly in the video. [b]Please stop insulting me when I'm not insulting you. There is no need for you to treat me this way. If you want to tell me my opinions on this video are wrong then that is completely okay by me and I am completely open to hearing your opinion or I wouldn't be wasting my time taking your insults to hear you out.[/b]
I am not defending any position. Perhaps the problem here is that you are thinking in such inflammatory terms as "defending". I thought we were just discussing here, it's not a battle. My experience in research is that this is not a gender issue therefore seeing it implied as such without any evidence, as you admit when you concede that the ad doesn't say anything about this being exclusively a gender issue, is a valid point to bring up. I'm not defending anything, I am raising a point. Perhaps if you understand that I am not defending, you will stop attacking?
"I do not feel as though you have been respectful here at all. You seem particularly uninterested in listening to any perspective, let alone understanding it."
^ So you're saying every little thing I have written has been disrespectful? Don't you think that's exaggerating? Please tell me where I have been disrespectful and where I have showed that I am particularly uninterested in listening to any perspective, let alone understanding it.
[b]Here are some quotes from myself that I believe completely prove you wrong and show that I am absolutely open to listening to your perspective and others' as well as understanding it:
"Do we at least know who/what they were quoting other than presumably males? Were they comments made by males?"
"^ How do we know that?"
"DarkSarcasm, if that was the point then why not have both men and women reading nasty comments about people of both genders?"
"misanthrope86, if I have to research to figure out that it is or is not just men as implied then how is the agenda not sexist?"
"I'm sorry, you're right, I don't understand. I don't see how this could be a gendered issue when both genders do it to each other?"
"How is discussing and sharing with others not fully engaging? Are you saying that I need to be an expert or well researched on a subject to simply discuss it with others?"
"If the point of this video is to show that no one should be harassing anyone than why does it show only men insulting women?...That doesn't make sense to me."
"Is there a reason you provided a wink face with your comment? In every social circle I have ever been in, the context of your comments with that wink face is completely disrespectful so I would like to ask your intent instead of assuming based on experience."
Notice how I never insult you or accuse you of anything nor do I assume to know what you're thinking or what your positions are? I simply ask for clarification on everything and try to understand before making any judgements along with giving my opinions based on my experience. Where is the disrespect you accuse me of?[/b]
"In my experience, winks are for funsies, for lightening the mood... So I guess if we don't understand something, it might simply mean that we don't understand it, eh...? ... rather than it being about an agenda....? So we ask...? And we learn stuff...?! Cool."
^ This is very inflammatory and condescending. I have been asking you the whole time and telling you my opinion of why I think it comes off like an agenda. Do you need to mock me for that? Those last lines are just completely disrespectful and not the way polite discussion occurs. Please do not speak to me like that. I don't speak to you in that way so I am not asking for anything other than the same respect I show you.
misanthrope86 I wonder what research you read...
"[i]Is there any reason why you would rather criticize me about my level of experience with the subject instead of trying to be considerate and helpful on it?[/i]"
- Um. Tried helping. You rejected it.
"[i]I have never seen any research whatsoever to suggest this.[/i]"
- Where are you looking?
"[i]DarkSarcasm told me "It seems like you're missing the point, which is that people just need to stop being assholes." which made me believe that they thought it also was not a gender specific issue but people issue, my mistake then.[/i]"
- Very clear demonstration here that you have missed the point of the video, and the subsequent conversation about it.
"[i]The video shows me men reading comments about women but doesn't even tell me if men made them, it's all implied which makes me question the agenda.[/i]"
- Sorry to hear that.
"[i]Does that explain why I am having this discussion with you?[/i]"
- Is this a discussion? I don't recall any "discussion".
"[i]Please stop insulting me when I'm not insulting you.[/i]"
- Did you miss the part where I said I did not think you were being respectful? Or are we only attending to your perspective again here?
Wow. Self-quoting.
I don't see any point to pointing out the disrespect, as you are already adamant that it does not exist. I will say that I find it very disturbing that you could watch this video and then engage in this kind of discussion about it. You are demonstrating that you do not understand what 'gendered' means. If you cannot even envisage that you don't understand it, then the discussion is over.
Ah, ok, so we apparently didn't learn anything about understandings and agendas... Damn, thought we had a breakthrough there.
"[i]I am not asking for anything other than the same respect I show you.[/i]"
- Makes you think then, doesn't it?
Man, I have SERIOUS deja vu.
audreygrace412 [b]Look, I don't want to fight with you and hopefully you don't want to fight with me. Since you say you tried, I am not one to call you a liar or presume to speak for you. Thank you for trying and I apologize for misunderstanding you. If you think you'd rather not discuss this with me because you find my opinion too offensive or you find we are having too much miscommunication, then I will understand and respect that. If you want to try and help me understand and accept my apology, then I will appreciate that.[/b] If you choose the former then please ignore the rest of my response but if you choose the latter then here is my response:
"I wonder what research you read..."
^ You are right. Perhaps this could be an area of misunderstanding between us. Since most of this video leaves everything implied, I assumed it was talking about online harassment. This is the research I have seen on it:
"Age and gender are most closely associated with the experience of online harassment." (http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/)
So it was my understanding that both genders experience about equal online harassment overall with the different genders experiencing different levels of different types.
"Um. Tried helping. You rejected it."
^ I am sorry that you feel that way. I never perceived you as trying to help me out as opposed to criticizing me so would you mind pointing out the examples so I can learn how to recognize that better please?
"Where are you looking?"
^ Pew Research Center.
"Very clear demonstration here that you have missed the point of the video, and the subsequent conversation about it."
^ This is so confusing to me. It seems like you are saying this is a gendered issue yet DarkSarcasm said it was a people issue. Since you seem to understand and see where I have missed the point, can you please try to offer another explanation?
"Sorry to hear that."
^ Why are you sorry to hear that? Did you not tell me that you believe it is all implied as well? That's all I said so what about that makes you sorry?
"Is this a discussion? I don't recall any "discussion"."
^ So then what do you call these comments back and forth between us, if not a discussion?
"Did you miss the part where I said I did not think you were being respectful? Or are we only attending to your perspective again here?"
^ I did not miss that part which is why I addressed it. Is it not fair for me to bring up my perspective as well or do I have to wait to resolve yours first?
"Wow. Self-quoting."
^ Yes, because I can only speak for myself. That is me showing you respect.
"I don't see any point to pointing out the disrespect, as you are already adamant that it does not exist."
^ That is absolutely false since I clearly pointed out to you that I was open to it. Why are you making up that I am adamant that I am not disrespecting you when I keep asking you to point it out so I can learn from it? That makes no sense.
"I will say that I find it very disturbing that you could watch this video and then engage in this kind of discussion about it."
^ Well I apologize for that. I come from a background where we give our opinions about things, our honest opinions, so that they can be honestly addressed. I didn't think there would be any problem here and since you have refuse to point it out for me, I am left confused.
"You are demonstrating that you do not understand what 'gendered' means. If you cannot even envisage that you don't understand it, then the discussion is over."
^ Well I asked you for help. If you don't want to help me then I guess you are right and the discussion is over.
"Ah, ok, so we apparently didn't learn anything about understandings and agendas... Damn, thought we had a breakthrough there."
^ I don't see how this is constructive at all or what effect it's supposed to have?
"Makes you think then, doesn't it?"
^ Yes, it does make me think about why you don't seem to want to show me the same respect I am showing you in trying to be as courteous and understanding as possible?
"Man, I have SERIOUS deja vu."
^ I thought our feminism discussion in the forum was much more polite so I actually don't understand this change in tone.
misanthrope86 "[i]So it was my understanding that both genders experience about equal online harassment overall with the different genders experiencing different levels of different types.[/i]"
- The research you linked to highlights the gendered issue here. Yes, online abuse is an issue across the board (which no one here has disputed). But you'll note this research you linked talks about women being represented in the [b]severe[/b] abuse categories at disproportionately high levels. Also note the discussion in sections about responses to abuse and after-effects of abuse. This video addresses these issues.
If you can understand that, all the rest of your questions here should answer themselves.
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“THIS PICTURE WILL NOT CHANGE THE WORLD, BUT I STILL NEED FEMINISM AND I’M GOING TO REALLY, REALLY TELL u WHY”:
-Because I got called a whore for wearing a short plaid rok when I was 10
-and because when Nujood Ali from Yemen was 10 she got divorced
-Because black girls’ names became my classmates’ favoriete “joke” when I was 11
-and because when an 11-year-old girl in Texas was raped door 18 men the New York Times wrote of how the girl “dressed older than her age”
-Because I started counting calories when I was 14
-and because when Malala...
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“THIS PICTURE WILL NOT CHANGE THE WORLD, BUT I STILL NEED FEMINISM AND I’M GOING TO REALLY, REALLY TELL u WHY”:
-Because I got called a whore for wearing a short plaid rok when I was 10
-and because when Nujood Ali from Yemen was 10 she got divorced
-Because black girls’ names became my classmates’ favoriete “joke” when I was 11
-and because when an 11-year-old girl in Texas was raped door 18 men the New York Times wrote of how the girl “dressed older than her age”
-Because I started counting calories when I was 14
-and because when Malala...
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I review the book adaptation of the first Halo game. The male auteur tries to write feminist characters but makes some serious errors.
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posted by buttercupthePPG
Look at all of the stereotypes that existed ever since the beginning of time! They're so toxic and so degrading!
Stereotype 1: Every woman needs a man (which is an issue in many high schools, even colleges and such).
Stereotype 2: All women need rescuing and constant protection.
Stereotype 3: A woman who stands up for herself is considered b*tchy, bossy, and unladylike.
Stereotype 4: A woman is supposed to be submissive and f*cking cowardly! (which is so common)
Stereotype 5: All women are less intellegent, meer foolish, and can't learn anything.
Stereotype 6: Women are the weakest of the weak....
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Stereotype 1: Every woman needs a man (which is an issue in many high schools, even colleges and such).
Stereotype 2: All women need rescuing and constant protection.
Stereotype 3: A woman who stands up for herself is considered b*tchy, bossy, and unladylike.
Stereotype 4: A woman is supposed to be submissive and f*cking cowardly! (which is so common)
Stereotype 5: All women are less intellegent, meer foolish, and can't learn anything.
Stereotype 6: Women are the weakest of the weak....
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I analyze the Halo Wars video game. I'm an admin on Halopedia, a site used as a resource door Halo creators, so I have some Halo expertise. I did make a flub in this video, noted in the annotation.
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I analyze a plotline in Buffy the Vampire Slayer where geeks set out to rape someone without two realizing it's rape until it's spelled out for them.
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The Equal Rights Amendment was written door Alice Paul in 1921 and introduced into the U.S. Congress for the first time in 1923. In 1972, it passed both houses of Congress, but failed to gain ratification before its June 30, 1982 deadline
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posted by SelinaKyle
Farida broke all barriers
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How miserably sad and depressing. Farida Afridi, an activist for tribal women in Pakistan, was murdered today. (You know how. u don’t even need to look. Leaving home pagina for work. Guys on motorcycles. Guns. Died on the way to the hospital.)
Along with her sister Noor Zia, Farida was committed to social change and economic emancipation for women from the platform of a welfare organisation called the Society for Appraisal and Women Empowerment in Rural Areas (SAWERA). Both women were among the founding members of the NGO and had a Masters...
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by Ophelia Benson
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How miserably sad and depressing. Farida Afridi, an activist for tribal women in Pakistan, was murdered today. (You know how. u don’t even need to look. Leaving home pagina for work. Guys on motorcycles. Guns. Died on the way to the hospital.)
Along with her sister Noor Zia, Farida was committed to social change and economic emancipation for women from the platform of a welfare organisation called the Society for Appraisal and Women Empowerment in Rural Areas (SAWERA). Both women were among the founding members of the NGO and had a Masters...
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Tracee Ellis Ross reads her children's book 'The Handsy Man'! [Credit: Jimmy Kimmel Live].
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In this innovative and wide-ranging analysis, Jackson Katz argues that widespread violence in American society needs to be understood as part of an ongoing crisis in masculinity.
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posted by Kitbeast
Now i'm what I would like to call an average guy. I also like to think that I'm open minded and willing to hear any argument as long as that argument is backed up with cold hard facts.
Now as a guy i personally don't have any experience of any of the issues normally expressed door the feminist movement so my thoughts and opinions are always formed from seconde hand of third hand experience (reading articles, watching YouTube videos etc.)
Now i'm sure some of u are asking yourself why are u asking this? Well the answer is as follows.
Two week geleden i was taking part in a community discussion at...
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Now as a guy i personally don't have any experience of any of the issues normally expressed door the feminist movement so my thoughts and opinions are always formed from seconde hand of third hand experience (reading articles, watching YouTube videos etc.)
Now i'm sure some of u are asking yourself why are u asking this? Well the answer is as follows.
Two week geleden i was taking part in a community discussion at...