Turner talks “traumatic” season 5 for Sansa, and Game of Thrones is the best of 2014 

Recently at the British Independent Film Awards, actress Sophie Turner chatted on the red carpet with

When asked about scenes for the upcoming season, Sophie shares there’s one scene that she’s done that was “super, super traumatic” and the type of scene that was “really kind of horrible for everyone to be on set and watch.” She goes on to explain how those are her favorite scenes, as an actress.

is continuing its annual trend of appearing on Best-Of-the-Year lists all over. Today brings a few more additions to the crop:

American Film Institute as the best of the year for 2014. The programs are chosen by a jury that includes critics, actors, and creators such as

‘s Vince Gilligan. The selected television shows are chosen for being “culturally and artistically representative of the year’s most significant achievements.”

‘s Third Annual TV Critics’ Poll. For the full breakdown, and to see which critic ranked the show where, head on over to the site.

‘s Dan Fienberg chose the show for his top ten of 2014. The critic says “The Mountain and the Viper” is his favorite episode of the show’s run, and cites the Brienne and the Hound fight, Tyrion’s trial, the Royal Wedding, and the “epic action orgy” of “The Watchers on the Wall” as his reasons for the show appearing on his list.

“consistently brilliant at what it’s doing” in The best TV of 2014, and declares that the show has “entered the realm of permanence on the list of great TV shows of the early 21st century, up there with ‘Breaking Bad,’ ‘The Sopranos’ and ‘The Wire.\'”

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Good to hear nice things said about GoT as always.

Here’s a picture Maisie tweeted of her and Sophie merged into one person.

That’s the closest thing I could find to news today.

Also Benioff and Amanda Peet have had another kid. They named him Henry.

I imagine whatever it is… it is total invention by D&D and will not appear in Winds of Winter. Much like Talisa’s death at the Red Wedding.

I sense she may be hyping it up a bit but if I was going to speculate I reckon Littlefinger may attempt to rape her. Can’t say I’d be a fan of it as doesn’t fit his character at all. Just hope they don’t go off the farm without WoW to give them a framework.

Hope it’s not a Littlefinger scene, but something tells me it is. :p

So what if it is? It’s a different medium and that’s their right as storytellers.

Frankly, I can’t wait to see more ‘invented for the show’ plots, if for nothing than to see the book purists moan and whine about it how different it is from the book series.

I imagine whatever it is… it is total invention by D&D and will not appear in Winds of Winter. Much like Talisa’s death at the Red Wedding.

I wouldn’t be so sure–might be the “controversial” scene Vulture teased once upon a time:

Martin later sent [Elio] the Manuscript in the Box, asking him to fact-check it for him — because a slip like a change in eye color will make fans salivate with imposter theories, when sometimes it’s just a mistake. Garcia now performs this function for all the books, but it’s completely unofficial: “It’s not like I’m paid or anything.” And yes, that means he’s read parts of book six, The Winds of Winter — including a Sansa chapter that is sure to be controversial.

They don’t have TWOW to give them a framework… but they DO have TWOW’s framework to give them a framework, which is more than enough. They don’t have any reason to do anything crazy; by now, especially in some story lines, they are only following the plot very roughly anyway, so the fact they only have a framework for TWOW shouldn’t interfere with the quality too much.

rape by Littlefinger. I just don’t think that’s where her character is going, and I don’t see that as Baelish’s MO. It just isn’t. Now, may she seduce him and have sex with him? I see that as a far more likely possibility, and creepy in many ways: she’s underage; she isn’t attracted to him like he is to her, so she’d just be doing it to survive (a form of coercion like any other*); and it’s a generally fucked up relationship.

*This reminds me of those who say Dany wasn’t raped by Drogo in the books because she physically enjoyed it. Those people don’t know what rape or consent is. It’s difficult to argue a 13-year old can give consent to a grown man anyway, but considering it was AN ARRANGED MARRIAGE, considering she was sold off as a slave… of course there was no consent. It was rape. Some people think “rape” only counts if it’s violent, which is an absolutely horrible notion.

A Sansa chapter cut from ADWD has been widely speculated to be the same that Elio Garcia read and thought would be very controversial. Traumatic, controversial… it may be the same thing.

Also, do you really think you’ll go through Season 5 with not a single Sansa spoiler for you? Obviously they won’t advance her storyline too much because it needs to be roughly in sync with everything else for the big finish, but they won’t give her a whole season of faffing about. Her early TWOW material just has to be included.

Looks like we’re getting that “controversial” chapter after all.

My theory is that it is a version of the Marillon plotline but somewhat tweaked due to the changes previously made. It has struck me that sometimes the show doen’t so much invent things as postpone them.

As a case in point, Hodor being brutally beaten by the Night Watch deserters is obviously not in them books, since that plot didn’t happen; however, Hodor was brutally beaten by Theon’s men in the books but was not beaten by them in the show).

Also thinking of the “Inkeeper’s Daughter” scene, which due to changes in plotting was signifcantly toned down from the books.

In some ways I hope this is it, because otherwise, people are going to be angrily debating whether D&D made it up until if/when TWOW comes out.

“The Washington Post calls Game of Thrones “consistently brilliant at what it’s doing” in The best TV of 2014, and declares that the show has “entered the realm of permanence on the list of great TV shows of the early 21st century, up there with ‘Breaking Bad,’ ‘The Sopranos’ and ‘The Wire.’”

I just hope that Season 5 will be good enough to keep track with them

Isabelle: I wouldn’t be so sure–might be the “controversial” scene Vulture teased once upon a time:

Vulture seriously overhyped that quote, which was that “it may be controversial in certain corners of the fandom”. Just to give you the idea of what level of shocking this could be referring to, this happens to be the same wording (‘may be controversial in certain corners of the fandom’) Elio used for Brienne’s line in “And Now His Watch Is Ended” – “You sound like a bloody woman”. He’s also clarified later that the controversy is not necessarily about Sansa herself or something she does, but may have something to do with a new (?) character (it wasn’t completely clear since those subsequent comments were from a Spanish language radio interview that someone posted an English transcript from, something may have been lost in translation).

Frankly, I can’t think of almost anything from Sansa’s arc so far that

controversial in some corner of fandom. Or a lot of the stuff from the series in general. I wouldn’t bet on it being such a huge shock/outrage as some people expect, especially based on the way it’s been hyped.

But I’m not expecting that to be honest, I know there’s a good probability of being a new filler.

last season was ruined by the constant overhyping so don’t trust any interviews, just sayin

Im still hoping that Sansa (intentionally or not) kills someone.

We will debate angrily about all the new things anyway, until tWoW comes out.

Today in “Will Sansa Catch a Break?” we now have recent words that she will not, in fact, catch a break. :/

You raise some great points, especially that you “can’t think of almost anything from Sansa’s arc so far that isn’t controversial in some corner of fandom.” But the overarching point is that we’re getting into

And to play devil’s advocate, if this “controversial” scene is the same one that Sophie is calling “traumatic,” perhaps there is something to the fuss, even if some people have already posited it. On first view, it may leave a particularly strong impression. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.

Ruined, huh? And I’m sure there are those who agree with you. The majority doesn’t. It’s fine to offer an opinion, but when you state your personal opinion as the basis for an argument (that we shouldn’t get too hyped), it kinda suggests you are putting forward your personal opinion as a purely objective fact. Which it isn’t.

Actually, Season 4 was not only the most popular season yet, but also the most critically well received according to the most popular meta-review site. So the hype-machine apparently didn’t hurt the Season for most people as it did for you. I don’t want to speak in your behalf, but what you might have meant is that Season 4 was the season that diverged the most from the books, which you didn’t like… but book fans are a minority of the show watchers, and book fans who adhere religiously to the text are an even smaller minority. All in all, it’s not fair to say Season 4 was a disappointment —that’s a mighty fine personal opinion, don’t get me wrong, but it doesn’t have the basis in fact necessary for the argument you were trying to make about over-hyping, and in fact for any other argument. It looked like you were assuming we all agreed with your starting position, that Season 4 was ruined, but… most people don’t.

We won’t get a whole season of filler for her. Some people are blind to the fact the show will surpass the books, with silly conspiracy theories like “GRRM is secretly writing the last two books simultaneously and he will release them before anything is spoiled in the show” or, for that matter, “Sansa’s whole published source material has already been adapted, but in Season 5 nothing at all will be spoiled from TWOW; it will all be filler.” No, it won’t. I agree that most of it probably will be filler, but I very much expect some of her early TWOW material to seep in Season 5, at least around the end.

Ruined, huh? And I’m sure there are those who agree with you. The majority doesn’t. It’s fine to offer an opinion, but when you state your personal opinion as the basis for an argument (that we shouldn’t get too hyped), it kinda implies you are putting forward your personal opinion as a purely objective fact. Which it isn’t.

In fact, Season 4 was not only the most popular season yet, but also the most critically well received according to the most popular meta-review site. It was also the one that diverged the most from the books… but book fans are a minority of the show watchers, and book fans who adhere religiously to the text are an even smaller minority.

We won’t get a whole season of filler for her. Some people are blind to the fact the show will surpass the books, with silly conspiracy theories like “GRRM is secretly writing the last two books simultaneously and he will release them before anything is spoiled in the show” or, for that matter, “Sansa’s whole published source material has already been adapted, but in Season 5 nothing at all will be spoiled from TWOW; it will all be filler.” No, it won’t. I agree that most of it probably will be filler, but I very much expect some of her early TWOW material to seep in Season 5, at least around the end.

Personally, I have no problems with TWOW spoilers – actually, I can’t wait for them. Bring them on! I’d much rather have “spoilers”, i.e. the show being faithful to whatever is going to be happening with the characters in the future books, than some random filler (though I’m sure there will be some of that, too). I think that Sansa probably has a big storyline coming up and that they’ve decided to start it early so they would have enough time for it, what with show going to 7 seasons. Unlike with Bran, they could have stretched her material more in season 4 if they wanted to, and it’s unlikely that an entire season will be pure filler. Jon and Bran had a made-up plot in season 4, but their arc was still about hitting the major beat/climax of their respective arcs from ASOS/ADWD in Bran’s case.

You literally just cited the 3 most popular episodes this season. Episode 9 won “Best episode” in this very site’s awards poll, and 8 and 10 were the second and third most popular. In IMDB, they are on the TOP 5 of the season, alongside episodes 2 and 6. What you mean is you didn’t like them, or that small parts of the episodes were controversial in certain parts of the fandom… that is, small parts of the fandom, and a minuscule part of the actual audience.

I think Sansa has a big story ahead, and that’s why they wrapped up the Lord Declarant business before it even properly began. They wanted to have time for something. And we will soon see what it is.

So what if it is? It’s a different medium and that’s their right as storytellers.

Frankly, I can’t wait to see more ‘invented for the show’ plots, if for nothing than to see the book purists moan and whine about it how different it is from the book series.

It’s always fun when someone gets defensive about a comment that has no agenda.

Since I may need to spell it out for you… I’m definitely NOT a book purist.

The amount of hype for Season 4 was INSANE, don’t you remember ?

Now it’s close to 0% on the hypemeter, a lot of people don’t care at all about Season 5. (book readers obviously) And I think it’s the best way to not be disappointed.

At the time the 2013 Vulture article came out quoting Elio Garcia’s words about the Sansa chapter, I instantly thought: “Huh, bet Sweet Robin

the Snow Castle slap to be the worst thing Sansa did to him!” My money is on her causing an accidental (?) death.

You literally just cited the 3 most popular episodes this season. Episode 9 won “Best episode” in this very site’s awards poll, and 8 and 10 were the second and third most popular. In IMDB, they are on the TOP 5 of the season, alongside episodes 2 and 6. What you mean is you didn’t like them, or that small parts of the episodes were controversial in certain parts of the fandom… that is, small parts of the fandom, and a minuscule part of the actual audience.

With that I agree. Hype is bad. At best it’s harmless, at worst it can result in disappointment. Still, I don’t agree with your idea that Season 4 was ruined by the hype for most people, even less so if you pinpoint the last three episodes, which were the most popular. Also, most people don’t watch every trailer, every interview, every

, like many of us do. Most people go into a new season pretty much unspoiled, bar a few two-minute trailers.

Yeah, these trailers create hype, but not about anything specific. They don’t mislead. Most of the disappointment comes from book readers who were expecting something specific and it did not happen (LSH, anyone?), not from show watchers, who may enjoy an episode or a season more than another, but don’t have concrete expectations about which to be disappointed.

I think Sansa’s smackdown of SweetRobin during the snow castle scene may be foreshadowing another aggressive/defensive action by Sansa, with dire results….possibly on SR again or on a determined libidinous Vale lord. She will relive her almost rape in KL but this time the Hound will not be there to save her…but she has learned plenty from that experience and others to defend herself this time . Btw, I love that sharp “needle” necklace she is now wearing.

This is total TWoW territory. The text is leading toward this situation and we will be spoiled.

of course they were the most popular, the source material in it was by far the best of the whole saga.

Most book readers were expecting the three best episodes in a row of any show ever and it was cleary not the case. It was “just” very good

book reader was expecting the Jesus of visual dramatic media in those last three episodes,

? Every book reader was so unfathomably unreasonable? In my experience, book readers tend to be much more down-to-earth than you are implying there. Most of them didn’t expect those episodes to be “the best episodes in a row of any show ever”, which is a ridiculous statement if there ever was one. Were

The fact they were voted as the best episodes in a fansite full of book readers means most people weren’t as disappointed as you were.

You seem to be arguing that people voted for those episodes because the source material was so good… despite the fact they were so disappointed by how that source material was adapted. That’s doesn’t make any sense. The more something is loved, the more a poor portrayal of it will be hated. If people were as disappointed as you say, they would never have voted for them just because the source material was so good. In fact, it would be the other way around!

Whatever the trama is let us hope that Alex Graves doesn’t fuck it up.

I used to think he was the best director before Season 4…I guess four episodes was too much for him to handle. I don’t want this hack to be back.

He’s also clarified later that the controversy is not necessarily about Sansa herself or something she does, but may have something to do with a new (?) character (it wasn’t completely clear since those subsequent comments were from a Spanish language radio interview that someone posted an English transcript from, something may have been lost in translation).

Never knew he restated his words to make that quote milder, in a different occasion. It could be then a different situation than the one Sophie talks about. I automatically linked the two instances. I still think though that traumatic, horrible and crappy (all words she used in the interview) can refer to her doing harm to someone else though probably not intentionally or if so perhaps in self defense.

Not really… nope. They were the most voted here and in many other sites, so the people you are talking about are the minority, not “most” people.

Those are fanboys who thinks Game of Thrones is the greatest show ever because that’s the only good show they have watched. My friends are unsullied and they thought the finale was underwhelming. Even if it’s just an opinion, it means that the episode wasn’t as good as expected.

They even said that Tywin’s death was a joke.

the end of aSoS was way better than the show version, chapter closed.

I called it some time ago: Sansa kills SweetRobin. BTW, this is pure speculation on my part.

Probably, so she’s overreacting like all her past interviews.

Possibly means GRRM’s going to release a TWOW Sansa chapter before season 5 airs, vis-a-vis the ‘Mercy’ chapter before season 4. Whatever it takes to prevent D&D from revealing his plot-points before he does.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree that the end of ASOS is better than the end of Season 4 (or the parts adapted from it and not AFFC or ADWD, anyway), but I happen to understand that’s just my opinion, not the Word of God, not “chapter closed.” But do go on presenting your opinion as an uncontested fact or as something that everybody agrees with. That will pan out wonderfully for you, I’m sure.

I’d be pleasantly surprised if that happened. He is due for another preview chapter in Jan/Feb. We haven’t had a Sansa chapter in 9 frickin’ years!!!!! Uggh!

I sense she may be hyping it up a bit but if I was going to speculate I reckon Littlefinger may attempt to rape her. Can’t say I’d be a fan of it as doesn’t fit his character at all. Just hope they don’t go off the farm without WoW to give them a framework.

With the scrutiny that the Newsroom is getting for it’s latest rape episode. I really hope D&D steer as far away from that topic as they possibly can. They already have 1 strike on them in regards to rape

But if the tables are turned toward the “victim’s” favor during the scene, it may have a very unique, empowering effect. I don’t think they will shy away from that situation at all.

Turncloak, Shock value is what D&D like the most, unfortunately.

The only way to sell this product since the Red Wedding is “this season will have omgz moments and a lot of deaths”

Let’s hope so. I find where they’ve strayed too far from the source material to be my least favourite/weakest bits of the show.

You’ve reminded me why I hope it’s not a rape scene. All we’ll get is yet more sanctimonious overanalysis of sexual assault and certain people feeling the need to write essays reminding everyone why rape is so wrong ( Do they seriously think that the vast majority of people condone it?!). Wonder why whenever any character dies or is tortured we don’t get an accompanying lecture about how killing and hurting others is a bad thing?!

But if the tables are turned toward the “victim’s” favor during the scene, it may have a very unique, empowering effect. I don’t think they will shy away from that situation at all.

It may not be their decision to make. This maybe a situation where HBO steps in and decides, we’re not going to show rape anymore. Given how badly it’s shows have mangled the issue

Let’s hope so. I find where they’ve strayed too far from the source material to be my least favourite/weakest bits of the show.You’ve reminded me why I hope it’s not arape scene. All we’ll get is yet more sanctimonious overanalysis of sexual assault and certain people feeling the need to write essays reminding everyone why rape is so wrong ( Do they seriously think that the vast majority of people condone it?!). Wonder why whenever any character dies or is tortured we don’t get an accompanying lecture about how killing and hurting others is a bad thing?!

For many rape is worse than murder. “I rather die than be raped” – Jaime Lannister

I think the last 3 episodes were a poor portrayal to the books but I still enjoyed them. Byron and Dino, probably the best unsullied reviewers around also found the season finale disappointing.

They don’t have TWOW to give them a framework… but they DO have TWOW’s framework to give them a framework, which is more than enough. They don’t have any reason to do anything crazy; by now, especially in some story lines, they are only following the plot very roughly anyway, so the fact they only have a framework for TWOW shouldn’t interfere with the quality too much.

rape by Littlefinger. I just don’t think that’s where her character is going, and I don’t see that as Baelish’s MO. It just isn’t. Now, may she seduce him and have sex with him? I see that as a far more likely possibility, and creepy in many ways: she’s underage; she isn’t attracted to him like he is to her, so she’d just be doing it to survive (a form of coercion like any other*); and it’s a generally fucked up relationship.

*This reminds me of those who say Dany wasn’t raped by Drogo in the books because she physically enjoyed it. Those people don’t know what rape or consent is. It’s difficult to argue a 13-year old can give consent to a grown man anyway, but considering it was AN ARRANGED MARRIAGE, considering she was sold off as a slave… of course there was no consent. It was rape. Some people think “rape” only counts if it’s violent, which is an absolutely horrible notion.

A Sansa chapter cut from ADWD has been widely speculated to be the same that Elio Garcia read and thought would be very controversial. Traumatic, controversial… it may be the same thing.

Also, do you really think you’ll go through Season 5 with not a single Sansa spoiler for you? Obviously they won’t advance her storyline too much because it needs to be roughly in sync with everything else for the big finish, but they won’t give her a whole season of faffing about. Her early TWOW material just has to be included.

Hmm I’m not so sure. I think Sansa will get 95% dose of filler material(which may not be a bad thing if done well). Brienne is also in the Vale so they can pair them up considering they are probably going to stray from Brienne’s

Sansa ends up killing Robin. That could potentially be a stressful scene.

I didn’t have any unsullied that I know that didn’t love season 4. Sure, there was no Red Wedding… but what in television/book history CAN be another Red Wedding? Joff died in season 4. They LOVED that. I was prepared to not like season 4 much, I was pleasantly surprised. Except for the one horridly directed scene (the Wake), and the one really bad edit (Yara running away). I loved just about everything.

Now, the unsullied were looking at me funny while I was hysterically hyperventilating when Varys got on the boat… but…well…

If that’s the case why did you assume D&D would ‘invent’ Sansa’s story? They are after all closer to the source material than anyone else outside of GRRM brain. I’m glad you’ve declared you’re not a purist, because you could have fooled me.

My friends are hard to please I guess. That’s probably because they have watched a lot of great TV shows like The Wire, The Shield and Deadwood for example

Yara’s scene was a disaster I agree, it was on a Bryan Cogman episode so we can’t blame D&D

For some people dishonour is worse than death…doesn’t mean they’re right! Either way, rape is being used to tell a story. It’s not being condoned and yet people lose their shit every time it’s even mentioned.

Death is so terribly final, while life is full of possibilities. – Tyrion Lannister

Nah, viewers would cheer that scene.

There have been some insanely good programs on cable recently. Few network dramas are even close, but maybe that’s because they keep pumping out retreads of the same ‘safe’ medical, police and lawyer stuff they’ve been doing for decades. Personally four of the top six on Hitfix’s list are/were brilliant (never watch The Good Wife or Transparent). I would have flipped Fargo and GoT but that show and TD were very good even though they were also very slow at times. My fear with both of those though is that they’re anthologies and recreating the ‘magic’ with a new cast and story may not work. We shall see.

If that’s the case why did you assume D&D would ‘invent’ Sansa’s story?They are after all closer to the source material than anyone else outside of GRRM brain. I’m glad you’ve declared you’re not a purist, because you could have fooled me.

There’s nothing wrong with invented material if done properly. Many think Sansa will get a good dose of invented material because her story arc has gone too far ahead of other characters. Also, the show has already altered her story by revealing herself as Sansa much earlier.

Strider: Never knew he restated his words to make that quote milder, in a different occasion. It could be then a different situation than the one Sophie talks about. I automatically linked the two instances. I still think though that traumatic, horrible and crappy (all words she used in the interview) can refer to her doing harm to someone else though probably not intentionally or if so perhaps in self defense.

He didn’t make his words milder later on, he originally said it “may be controversial in certain corners of the fandom”. It’s just Vulture that rephrased it as “a chapter which is sure to be controversial”.

For some people dishonour is worse than death…doesn’t mean they’re right! Either way, rape is being used to tell a story. It’s not being condoned and yet people lose their shit every time it’s even mentioned.

Death is so terribly final, while life is full of possibilities. – Tyrion Lannister

I think you have to see things in a different perspective. The vast majority of people would agree that murder is wrong. However, there are many people that take the “she deserved it” or the “she was asking for it” approach when discussing rape. This is why rape is written about in think pieces. That is also why many people felt offended by the GOT sept scene. A shitty portrayal of what was supposed to be a consensual scene.

I agree for True Detective, it will just not be the same without McConaughey and Harrelson but I’m still excited.

btw Aidan “Batman” Gillen (Littlefinger) will have a major role on Season 2! Should be fun, can’t wait to hear his new accent.

Yup. I don’t blame D&D on that one a bit. And I certainly liked more of the invented stuff than I would have EVER thought possible, before the series started. The near miss with Bran and Jon is a favorite. Ros was a nice merging of random prostitutes into one character.

I’m probably the only one with you who liked the idea of Ros! Not a fan of the multiple near misses on the show though

I personally think the near miss with Jon and Bran is a trope they’ve used far too often on the show.

Meh, I think they saved it with the fact that “Team Hodor” COULD have gone to see Jon, but deliberately made sure to miss him. If they’d had both near missed without being aware of one another… that’d have been really cheesy…

I also think that Locke’s death was a waste. He was such an interesting character, I wish he was still alive but hey……..the show needed some shock value.

IIRC, the Jon and Bran near miss was the only one that wasn’t in the books. I don’t really count Arya at the Bloody Gate, because the gate is still miles away from the Eyrie.

Locke turned out too good, someone else could have been sent in his place…? Locke at Winterfell would have been sweet… THEN kill him…

I see, they misquoted him to begin with. But no, I was actually referring to the clarification you mentioned he made somewhere else (that the “controversy” is not really for the character or something she does). For me that makes the “Sansa chapter controversy” milder. Maybe I should not have used the word mild. But that news definitely doesn’t have quite the same kick to it anymore, so to speak.

I think it is pretty clear from the leaked Nutter episode scenes that T & D do indeed meet in the show before/during the Daznak’s Pit scene in S5, unlike the books. This will be a fairly substantial deviation.

won’t be a near miss on the show. From the spoiler pics Tyrion and Dany actually meet :-]

Ditto that one too. Locke turned out too good, someone else could have been sent in his place…? Locke at Winterfell would have been sweet… THEN kill him…

I was so disappointed when Brandor killed Locke >:-[.

Locke would have been an exceptionally good character to have at Winterfell

IIRC, the Jon and Bran near miss was the only one that wasn’t in the books. I don’t really count Arya at the Bloody Gate, because the gate is still miles away from the Eyrie.

I do count Arya at the Bloody Gate. But this is also a problem in the books. Too many damn near misses. When the show adds more of those it ticks me off.

I don’t think they will interact with each other yet so I count that as a near miss, but we’ll see. Hope you’re right.

They’re sitting right next to each other. How do you figure that they wont interact with each other? o_O

Hizdahr’s between them. Tyrion will likely become Hizdahr’s servant somehow.

D&D magic! In all seriousness their first interaction should be pure gold.

Hizdahr’s between them. Tyrion will likely become Hizdahr’s servant somehow.

That’s what I thought ! So we’re not 100% sure.

Hey WOTW staff, there’s something wrong with the qoute-to-reply tool. When I try to quote someone’s comment it excludes all text that’s in spoiler tags.

That is very intriguing as well. Will they or won’t they speak to each other? Cool stuff.

They are also seen running/escaping as a group….after an attack and before DROGON!!!! Who will D fry?

Possibly means GRRM’s going to release a TWOW Sansa chapter before season 5 airs, vis-a-vis the ‘Mercy’ chapter before season 4. Whatever it takes to prevent D&D from revealing his plot-points before he does.

This is what I was going to write, if the show is going to catch up and pass George next season I definitely think he will put the Sansa chapter up on his website before the season starts. Sansa is my second favorite character next to Arya and whether D&D adapt scenes from TWOW or if it’s something that they’ve invented, I really don’t mind, I just want April to hurry up and arrive so I can see what happens- I’ve never been more excited about a season of Thrones as I am about this one!!!

It’s been that way since the beginning. I’ve always had to retag copied spoiler code in any new message.

What happened to the Sight teasers ? It has been two weeks and we got nothing since then…….aaargh

There’s something I’m really curious about. What does Tyrion do in episode 10, I have no idea- does anybody have any thoughts about what he’ll be doing?

Agree D&D should have kept Locke into season five, the character was great and Mr Taylor nailed his performance.

We can’t predict anything before Episode 9, we don’t even know how he received that Team Dany VIP Pass

1) Tyrion and Jorah arrive in Meereen and get captured or enslaved by Yezzan zo Q

2) Hizdahr hears of Jorah’s return and schedules him to fight (as a gift to Dany)

3) Hizdahr meets Tyrion, somehow discovers who he is and buys him as an assistant

4) Tyrion consults Hizdahr and wants too meet Dany

5) Tyrion sits next to Hizdahr at Daznaks trying to get Dany’s attention

6) Jorah fights and wins; Dany sees him and goes to greet him

8) Hizdahr, Dany, Tyrion, Jorah, Missandei attempt escape and run across the arena field

I am SO excited for more new sansa material. Bring on the spoilers!!!

I like all those ideas but I think Daznak’s pit will happen in episode 9 – it’s what he does in the aftermath in episode 10 that I’m curious about. Will he remain in Hizdahr’s service or will he side with Barristan or the Second Sons?

I iust hope it’s something climatic, rather than a dull 5 minute set up scene.

Daznak’s is Dany’s season ender, along with “For the watch” and Cersei’s walk. Tyrion et al will be stuck in the Pit as D&D fly away….we will have to wait until S6 (or TWoW) to see their fate.

Daznak’s is confirmed to be on Episode 9. And I don’t think we’ll not see Dany and Tyrion in Episode 10.

I suspect that moving Sansa’s plot line up will actually improve her contribution to the story. I have to admit that I think that I missed what Martin was doing with her in Crows. It might work better to show her in ascendancy rather than in nadir: Maleficent Stark might be better than Alayne Stone for telling this season’s story.

I wonder if Sansa’s storyline will wind up paralleling Arya’s storyline more closely now than it did in the book (although I now suspect that Martin intended it to do so all along).

At the time the 2013 Vulture article came out quoting Elio Garcia’s words about the Sansa chapter, I instantly thought: “Huh, bet Sweet Robin

the Snow Castle slap to be the worst thing Sansa did to him!” My money is on her causing an accidental (?) death.

One of the characters is overdosing on Milk of the Poppy. Sansa enters the room, sizing up the situation coldly, watches as the character expires.

Many people in the audience start to wonder if Sansa is really “one of the good guys”.

[Spoiler]Do you think we’ll get the conclusion to Stannis vs the Boltons this season or will it carry over to season 6? I hope it’s this season with Stannis winning and Roose somehow escaping and I’not sure about Ramsey – part of me wants to see him die in tbe battle of ice but another part of me wants him to make it to the final book/season.[/spoiler]

The Hound: Yara’s scene was a disaster I agree, it was on a Bryan Cogman episode so we can’t blame D&D

I blame production difficulties. It was apparently originally supposed to take place in a courtyard, and that could have been a better fight. My understanding is that the Hound was originally supposed to give his own account of being burned in season 1 but since weather nixed a scene they planned on doing they had Littlefinger convey that information in a different scene.

I agree because there’s something that distinguishes it from other near-misses: Bran actually makes a choice. So in that respect it’s somewhat similar to his sending Rickon away in the previous season.

Lots of folks on here have plenty to say about that topic, especially regarding Deepwood Motte.

I don’t know if I’m consistent with the leaked info or not, but I think Stannis is headed directly to WF from CB. He’ll somehow gather his clans and houses along the way to build his army. Davos will head southeast to treat with Umbers and Manderlys and will probably discover Rickon’s whereabouts along the way. The season will end with Stannis approaching WF, Theon jumping with someone and a possible uprising within WF…maybe an infiltration by Mance and other Northerners? I hope Ramsay doesn’t live too much longer but he will probably get to S6. How much damage will Theon/Reek do before he jumps and escapes from WF? How will Yara come into play, with or without Deepwood Motte in the picture? Will Stannis let her have another shot at Ramsay? I don’t know…but I don’t think we’ll get an ice battle in S5. Would be very surprising if we did. Plus there is the question of how much actual snow will affect the events of S5 in the north?

Only 3% percent of rape ends in a conviction. Murder on the other hand, tends to be prosecuted. Murder victims don’t get blamed for their murder. Rape victims get called liars, whores etc. You’re even using victim shaming and blaming now by calling it “dishonor.” That perpetuates the notion that victims are damaged goods. In some countries rape victims are still ostracized from their communities, considered unmarriagable and thought to have brought shame on their families. Rape isn’t bad because it brings dishonor on the victim. It’s bad because it’s a violation of the victim’s body and mind.

That’s the reason rape is a sensitive topic and the show has not always handled it very well. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen you complain about people being horrified by rape and frankly, it’s starting to creep me out. I think you need to look at yourself and try and figure out why these discussions upset you.

Count me in as a Ros fan. I’m not crazy about her season 1 material but by season 3 she had become a really interesting character. I was disappointed when she died because I was excited about the possibilities of her spying for Varys. Esme Bianco’s performance was a pleasant surprise considering that she seemed to primarily be known as a burlesque dancer and hadn’t made a name for herself acting yet. I wonder what she’s up to know. Off to IMDB!

Finally getting around to the topic on the actual post, this is pretty exciting. I know the actors talk the show up and to take things with a grain of salt but the prospect of TWOW Sansa chapter spoilers is thrilling to me.

Given your sharp comments above, and given the various rapey scenes during S4, how do you think the disturbing fArya sequence will play out, if at all? You must have gone ballistic while reading it.

Me, I’m just slightly misty-eyed that we have so much of the old guard here at WotW giving their opinions and debating shit. I feel like I’ve known most of you for years now.

Sansa will have a traumatic experience when she faces

Who HASN’T come over here is the pertinent question…

Not to move us too far off topic or counter-argue or anything but does that statistic apply worldwide or to a particular country? If it is meant to be worldwide then how exactly was it calculated?

There’s definitely less hype for season 5 than there was for season 4 but I think my intrigue-o-meter is higher this time as I’m really intrigued to see what they’re doing with all the story changes.

Jamie Darlington in an unspecified role. (This is the only source for his being cast in the show, his twitter is private and his CVs haven’t been updated yet. But I doubt this is an unreliable fan-edit since no fans have heard of this name yet from any news source).

Genita Samarra as “Brea”. Her twitter also makes mention of her being in the show, as well as Instagram links therein. She’s a model, an actress AND a stuntwoman, so it’s hard to say what small role “Brea” will turn out to be…

These are both likely miniscule roles of course but for the sake of the GoT wiki at the very least, these are at least worth posting. I’ll post another name below.

Also this guy, Tim Loane, is in s5 via this tweet from Universal Artists. I found no CVs making mention of this or saying who he’d play but Universal Artists WOULD KNOW what they’re talents up to, so there you go.

Sorry to post three times in a row but here’s yet another small role…

Christian Vit as “Lead Dornish Guard” will be in ep. 504.

He has a twitter with only two tweets indicating he was cast in August. My guess is that this is the same part that folks briefly thought was a Darkstar expy before finding out otherwise.

Here’s a picture she took on set. You can see a little bit of her costume along with her robe. I can’t tell what that costume indicates. As she does a lot of modelling I’d bet she’s in the KL or Braavos brothel:

She also has recently done stunts at Montserrat in Spain (one week before the previous picture):

and done archery in front of a greenscreen, with a promise to “let you guys know what for in due course.”

Pshaw. Elio would think GURM having Sansa add raisins to her lemoncakes was controversial. Whatever D&D come up with is going to be better than what the Mountain that Bides has in mind.

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