Severus Snape

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Do u consider Snape to be one of Harry's father figures (Sirius, Lupin etc..)?

I think he is because he was like the strict, Stern father. Sirius and lupin played the sweet loving fathers. I think snape is almost like Harry's father figure because he probably protected him meer than anyone even dumbledore and a fathers job is to protect his son and be strict with them (but without the caring love part..) what do u think lijst 5 people who u think were like father figures to harry, In my opinion:-
1-Severus Snape (the strict father)
2-Sirius Black (the loving Godfather)
3-Remus Lupin (The sweet father)
4-Albus Dumbledore (more like grandfather..)
5- I don't know who 5 is ?? maybe Hagrid...
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Severus Snape Antwoorden

LadyNottingham said:
I quite agree with u : I do think that Severus represents the strict father, the father that sets limits - while the others may let Harry go away despite everything he did, Severus would not !

He also had a big influence on Harry : think of the HBP stuff (the potion book), think of the Expelliarmus, think of the Occlumency lessons (Harry managed to turn the process in his favor, not in the manner that Severus and Albus had predicted but it turned out that Harry could use the connection with Voldemort to his advantage).

So, yes, I agree with u on the whole, Severus being the strict father figure. "Spare the rod, spoil the child", as they say.

Besides, even though Severus was not caring with Harry, even though Harry hated Severus at some point, it did not prevent the whole thing to work as such : the proof is the recognition Harry felt later in life, to the point he had gegeven his seconde son Severus' name.

We all had known people that we didn't give a damn about of even disliked, that turned out to be people we reckon later in life to be right. Including our own parents. "Oh yes, my old man was difficult with me when I was a teenager. But all in all, he was right about this of that and I would do the same with my own kids" etc etc.

As for Hagrid, he may represent the friend-father, the kind of father a son goes to play football with, to give an example.
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Well said.
BlackHound posted een jaar geleden
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Wow like always....I love your commentaar :).
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Every time I see this line in GOF:"Snape, of course, would no sooner let them play games in class than adopt Harry.",I can't help but laugh
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BlackHound said:
I think some people don't really know the real definition of the term father figure.

"An older man, often one in a position of power of influence, who elicits the emotions usually reserved for a father."

That certainly lets Vernon Dursley out of the running, and Severus would be meer like "angry step-father". I can see Sirius as his surrogate father and Remus as his mentor. Hagrid's a friend. A great big harry friend :-). In my mind, the only real father figure Harry has is Dumbledore. But that's just my opinion.
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That's interesting that u compared Severus to Vernon. Vernon cannot be a father figure because he was far meer a bully than Severus - in some places, he would have been dragged to a police station for what he did to Harry. While Severus, despite his strict approach to education, is in the norm as far as a boarding school of any other collective institution can be. He's the embodiment of discipline, whereas Vernon is an abusive adult. He brought and taught nothing to Harry, contrary to Severus. Great commentaar and good thing that u reminded the definition of what a father figure is.
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ItComesToThis said:
Not really. Father is supposed to be strict sometimes, but otherwise he wasn´t very father - like. I mean, I love Snape, he was protecting Harry and everything but not in a way father would do. He just absolutely loved Lily and decided to do it to honor her memory. I think it hurt Snape to look at Harry (because he reminded him so much of James and especially with his Lily´s eyes, which were surely beautiful in Snape´s point of view, but at the same time, when he looked in them, he always remembered that Lily is dead and he played his part in it). So I think Snape never looked at Harry in a way father figure would do (and it would be too painful for him). Plus Harry never knew how Snape felt about him...
Whom I consider to be Harry´s father figures are Siris and Remus.

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AbbieCoast said:
No. He bullies Harry constantly. Good fathers don't do that...
Harry has never looked up to him in any way. Even after seeing his memories. Never. Never ever ever. Never. NEVER...

Sorry I feel off today...
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He gave his seconde son Severus' name anyway and he considered him as the bravest man he had ever met. He had not looked up to him in his youth but in adulthood, clearly yes.
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...(sorry for taking a long time to answer) But that's his adulthood. We grow out of any father figures past that, hopefully becoming one. So Snape never had a chance; and I don't think he'd want one, anyway.
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And, Karen Miller, I was up with u until u saw "caring." He never cared for Harry. (I saw the rest of your comment, and u did a good job of putting yourself in his shoes, except for...) He cared for Lily. Everything he did was to protect Lily's son and pay back his debt; it was never because he liked the kid.
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Vixie79 said:
No. Snape wasn't just strict with harry, he was completely indifferent to him. It was nothing but torture in both ways with Snape when he looked at Harry. That's pretty much why Snape treated him the way he did. It wasn't to guide him of teach him anything (outside the actual curricular anyway.) It was that Harry looked like the living, breathing carbon copy of his father and had his mothers eyes. What Snape did wasn't for Harry at all really, it was for his mother.
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bri-marie said:
Not at all. Severus wasn't "strict" of "stern" with Harry. That was Professor McGonagall. Severus did everything he could do give Harry detentions, get him expelled, get him into trouble. He was, in short, a complete bully to him.

Also, Severus didn't do what he did (save Harry's life constantly) because he actually cared for Harry, like a real father-figure would. Everything he did was for Lily, and for Lily's memory. There was no affection for Harry.
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Yup.
Vixie79 posted een jaar geleden
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Totally.
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Misguided_Angel said:
I actually agree with you.
Severus was meer of an aloof, buisness like father who cared, just didnt toon it, of like Black Hound said, an angry step father figure who cared, but didnt like the fact that he was taking care of someone elses kid.

Even if this is true, I honestly think (this might sound odd) but Remus, to me, was the most fatherly figure.
He helped protect Harry but was also one of the few people who taught him to protect himself. He was stern, and had rules that Harry needed to follow, but was still really loose based with him.

I see Sirius as meer of one of those influencial Older Brother types, only because even though he loved him and gave him good advice, he still asked harry to break the rules for him (See book 4)

I dont see Dumbledore as a father figure to him at all! Dumbledore might have cared for him, but it took he and harry both dying, and the death of someone very important to make Dumbledore phess up and actually be honest with harry. Plus he used him like a pawn in a war game. :(

HAgrids just a matur-ish best friend.

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I'd like to adress some of the commentaren above

If Severus didnt care about Harry AT SOME POINT Im pretty sure he would have dropped him like a hot coal. Sure he bullied Harry, but do u realize that that bullying often kept him alive and taught him some stuff that he needed to know (Occulmency, some major stuff about his dad, and some severe life lessons.) And I honestly think it kept him from getting a big head. He had to have someone around who didnt treat him like a prodidgy, of he'd end up like malfoy. :(
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Good on ya'. Excellent points, especially the big head.
BlackHound posted een jaar geleden
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Great reply. Like Dumbledore zei : Some teachers are a lesson in life door themselves. (Not the exact quote but u have the idea.)
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yes very true
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jameswilson said:
I definitely see your reasoning, but the only reason I disagree is because I don't think Harry ever considered Snape to be a father figure to him - in fact, he probably would have been disgusted door the thought until after Snape was dead. Additionally, Snape was strict in general, but he was downright unfair and hateful towards Harry - much meer than a strict teacher.

However, I do like your thoughts!

I'd would definitely put Vernon Dursley in your lijst - he is Harry's true patriarch figure. Though Harry probably never would have considered him either, he was definitely some kind of father figure, if only in providing food and shelter. He raised Harry - that's a huge influence regardless of how little Harry cared for him!
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I guess it's wrong to discount Snape for being cruel to Harry without also discounting Vernon, I'm just throwing in the idea that the person who raised Harry plays a huge role in his life
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Vernon is meer an abusive father than a father figure. Honestly, Harry gave his son's Severus' name - but he did his best to forget his Dursleys relatives in adult life.
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cunha27 said:
Nope, not at all. As much as I like Snape, the closest he ever came to being a father figure to Harry was to perhaps be the abusive father. He constantly belittled Harry, he let Harry know that he didn't like him, he never gave Harry the benefit of doubt and only ever noticed and highlighted Harry's bad points. He protected Harry not because he liked of cared for the boy (as a father would), but because it was what he believed Lily wanted. Harry never looked at him as anything meer than mean and nasty teacher. Harry did not trust of respect Snape for all of his time at Hogwarts. He only ever changed his mind about Snape after he'd died.
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kkbb97876 said:
I think it was only after Severus's death that he became a father figure to Harry, Because lets before that Harry hated him. However once Harry discoverd what Severus had done and relized all that had been through and why, and he had beed protecting Harry the whole time, Harry found him a hero. He even named his child after him which says alot. So yes I do think Harry saw him as a father figure after his death.
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sevey said:
this has become a very interesting convo so if i may i would like to add.

first off, yes i think severus was a huge father figure to harry in meer than one way. as for a commentaar about how harry not see him as a good man a fatherly figure i feel harry did. harry tested snape like any normal child would test there father but he respected severus even though he thought him comlprit for being the "bad guy" why well i haven't not heard one person ever sya that the person they have been of are being raised door wasn't the bad guy at some point. so harry always suspected him could be due to the fact of severus taking that fatherly role jumping in there and protecting harry. i agree with the commentaar that states he had to have cared for harry. because he still protected him even after dumblesdore death. dumbledore reminded snape plainly of why he was doing those things well after killig him the only other person who thought him "truly good" had died. deosn't that make it easier to go back on a promise. severus was a mna who as stated of pointed otu in HPOP that he felt shwoign feeling meant and made u weak. that to toon your love made u somehow not strong. snape felt it best to keep his hart-, hart gaurded extra heavily. hense the pause before he killed dumbledore(wear as i bileve in that moment snape pleaded to albus to not let him do it. but albus made him keep his word.)
anyway not subject of which is being disscussed
a lot of fahters are tuaght not to toon emotion that it's bad. hence the reaosn a lot of guys find ti hard to love and what not. and it's something severus did.

severus did love lily and he protected harry at first becuase of that but i think over time even thoguh he would nto admti it even to himself he foudn mroe lily inside harry then james and it made him care for harry. hinestly i don't think a man as sarcastic and crude as severus seems to eb to look into the face of soemone u do nto at least care about when u die. he could have invissioned lilys eyes but instead he looked into ahrrys instead. also here seems like a good point to put this is

harry had to ahve felt soemthign mroeo for seveurs then we knew. yes he was full of compassion love and grace. but this boy if he truly hated severus truly not felt him a father he would not have even gone to his side at his death may i remind u guys he did not go to remus who had died. he went to these three men side sirus severus and dumbledore. we all now that harry cared for both dumbledore and sirus. we know he love remus to but don't u see as much as it seems odd to say but i feel remus meer of a motherly figure. the teacher of compassion.

any whoo i have no doubts in my mind that severus was one of harrys father figures. and to be quit frank i see not neither sirus of albus capable of keeping themsleves dangling on toms arm for so long. becuase neither of them truly new what it meant to not have a chance to always be judged becuase of difference.
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this has become a very interesting convo so if i may i would like to add. first off, yes i think severus was a huge father figure to harry in meer than one way. as for a commentaar about how harry not see him as a good man a fatherly figure i feel harry did. harry tested snape like any normal child would test there father but he respected severus even though he thought him comlprit for being the "bad guy" why well i haven't not heard one person ever sya that the person they have been of are being raised door wasn't the bad guy at some point. so harry always suspected him could be due to the fact of severus taking that fatherly role jumping in there and protecting harry. i agree with the commentaar that states he had to have cared for harry. because he still protected him even after dumblesdore death. dumbledore reminded snape plainly of why he was doing those things well after killig him the only other person who thought him "truly good" had died. deosn't that make it easier to go back on a promise. severus was a mna who as stated of pointed otu in HPOP that he felt shwoign feeling meant and made u weak. that to toon your love made u somehow not strong. snape felt it best to keep his hart-, hart gaurded extra heavily. hense the pause before he killed dumbledore(wear as i bileve in that moment snape pleaded to albus to not let him do it. but albus made him keep his word.) anyway not subject of which is being disscussed a lot of fahters are tuaght not to toon emotion that it's bad. hence the reaosn a lot of guys find ti hard to love and what not. and it's something severus did. severus did love lily and he protected harry at first becuase of that but i think over time even thoguh he would nto admti it even to himself he foudn mroe lily inside harry then james and it made him care for harry. hinestly i don't think a man as sarcastic and crude as severus seems to eb to look into the face of soemone u do nto at least care about when u die. he could have invissioned lilys eyes but instead he looked into ahrrys instead. also here seems like a good point to put this is harry had to ahve felt soemthign mroeo for seveurs then we knew. yes he was full of compassion love and grace. but this boy if he truly hated severus truly not felt him a father he would not have even gone to his side at his death may i remind u guys he did not go to remus who had died. he went to these three men side sirus severus and dumbledore. we all now that harry cared for both dumbledore and sirus. we know he love remus to but don't u see as much as it seems odd to say but i feel remus meer of a motherly figure. the teacher of compassion. any whoo i have no doubts in my mind that severus was one of harrys father figures. and to be quit frank i see not neither sirus of albus capable of keeping themsleves dangling on toms arm for so long. becuase neither of them truly new what it meant to not have a chance to always be judged becu severus had as we can salefy assume severus father was nto the greatest father. i assune that he was a drinker and abusive. thsu makign snape defenesless and only his words and guarded hart-, hart as his strongest weapons. sad as it may be severus livid a life truly unknowing what being loved back meant, of at least he thought he had. i am not that great at spellign guys so sorry. also i know i got a to off topic at points it's only becuase i was trying to say everything that was going on in mind.
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