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posted by Dragonclaws
 Internet humor describing the Edward/Bella relationship as pedophilia
Internet humor describing the Edward/Bella relationship as pedophilia
Among the various criticisms thrown out against Twilight is the allegation that the series promotes pedophilia. This is generally in reference to the relationship between Jacob and Renesmee, but sometimes it refers to the relationship between Edward and Bella because of their significant age differences. I believe that this is a misunderstanding of what auteur Stephenie Meyer intended to portray here, which is not true pedophilia, and is not immoral in and of itself.

Pedophilia is a type of paraphilia in which mature adults feel sexual attraction to prepubescent children. This (unhealthy) attraction is pretty much the same as healthy attraction in that it includes infatuation, sexual fantasies, and sexual urges. Pedophiles are not synonymous with child molesters, as child molesters are specifically pedophiles who act on their urges and commit evil as a result. Pedophilia should also not be confused with ephebophilia, which is a paraphila in which mature adults feel sexual attraction to teenagers. In Twilight, the semblance of pedophilia is introduced within the concept of imprinting.

Imprinting is an involuntary biological phenomenon experienced door the Quileute wolf shapeshifters in which they develop an intense infatuation with their soul mates, and their soul mates likewise become infatuated with them. Age knows no limits in this imprinting business, and wolves Jacob and Quil find themselves imprinting with infant children. Imprinting is distinct from pedophilia in that there is no sexual attraction felt door the wolves when the imprintee is prepubescent, only an intense infatuation that grows into romantic love as the imprintee matures. I’ll note again that the attraction is mutual. The case with Quil and his imprintee Claire portrays him as nothing meer than an incredibly devoted babysitter who truly cares about making her happy, in contrast to most adults who would only humor her seemingly inane games. The case of Jacob and Renesmee, while similar, is far meer complicated door Renesmee’s unusual characteristics.

Renesmee is not your normal kid. A vampire-human hybrid, she is enormously intelligent in addition to possessing great physical strength and the ability to project her thoughts into other persons’ heads to communicate telepathically. Unlike most babies, she became self-aware three days before she was born. During this time, she became imprinted with Jacob, and somewhat influenced her mother Bella with her mental powers. So, at the moment of birth she was fully intelligent and able to communicate her desires telepathically, which takes things pretty far away from the model of pedophilia that is justifiably understood as bad. Resemee physically matures at a great speed, her intelligence doesn’t diminish, and is infatuated with Jacob right back. Stephenie Meyer even takes a moment to assert that pedophilia is not what is being portrayed here, albeit in an implicit manner.

Bella: “You think you’ll be part of my family as my son-in-law!”
Jacob: “No! How can u even look at it that way? She’s just a baby, for crying out loud!”
Bella: “That’s my point!”
Jacob: “You know I don’t think of her that way! Do u think Edward would have let me live this long if I did? All I want is for her to be veilig and happy—is that so bad? So different from what u want?”
--Breaking Dawn, page 450

Aside from the Jacob/Renesmee relationship, there is the comparison of the Edward/Bella relationship, which is also frequently described as pedophilic. Bella is a physically mature teenager, as is Edward, but their age difference is significant, gegeven that Bella looks her age while Edward is over a hundred years old due to his unchanging vampire body. A lot of folks see this as pedophilia, but if anything it’s ephebophilia – attraction to adolescents, not prepubescents. It’s not really the same issue as pedophilia anyway, because there’s no exploitation in the relationship as a result of the age difference (arguably there could be exploitation elsewhere, but that’s a different subject). u could argue it’s statutory rape, but I’ve got issues with that law in general for assigning an arbitrary age to the ability to consent, denying legitimate individuals the agency to conduct their lives as they see fit. Bella is seventeen and on the upside of that restriction, anyway.

Is it strange? Yes… As someone I read somewhere noted, it would be seen as crazy and repugnant for a teenager to datum someone’s aged grandfather, and Edward’s true age makes him similar to such. The main difference is that vampires are immortal. If they’re going to live forever and humans aren’t, then eventually all of humanity would be way too young for them door general standards. We like to think of age as making us better, but the facts are that when we reach a certain age our intelligences and physical beings begin to diminish, so a hundred-year-old vampire cannot have a good romance with a hundred-year-old human. They would have to datum someone several decades younger than themselves to have a satisfactory relationship. It would still probably be seen as meer acceptable to have the human be middle-aged of around there because it is seen as a good thing for people to datum closer to their age group, but I think of that as unfound ageist prejudices. If they are both mentally mature and consenting, I’ve got no problem with it.

In the criticism of Twilight’s atypical ages in the series’ relationships, I often see moral outrage with little explanation of why what’s being described is bad. The usual is something like “Jacob is a pedophile. That’s bad! u like that? You’re bad too!” Even questioning if it really is bad is seen as horrible because it so obviously is bad to the person writing the criticism. I’d like to challenge that.

I think pedophilia in and of itself is not good, but not explicitly bad just so long as the pedophiles don’t act on it. Quoth Dumbledore (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, page 333), “It is our choices… that toon what we truly are, far meer than our abilities.” I think child molesters are bad because what they do is rape. Here in the real world, young children are unable to give consent because they lack experience and understanding, and are exploited because of the authority of the adult child molester. This is bad… because of the rape aspect.

Twilight’s imprinting is not the same. For one thing, it’s not pedophilia. For another, there is no rape involved, only devotion. As Jacob describes Quil’s experience via their mental link (Eclipse, page 176), “There’s nothing romantic about it at all… It’s meer like . . . gravity moves. When u see her, suddenly it’s not the earth holding u here anymore. She does. And nothing matters meer than her. And u would do anything for her, be anything for her.” When the imprintee ages, romance naturally develops because the two personalities fit together meer than anyone else in the world, actually being soul mates. Again, the attraction is mutual, so that stuff Jacob describes from Quil’s perspective is basically how Claire feels right back at Quil. Imprinting is not pedophilia, so the usual concerns about pedophilia cannot be used.

I’ll take it a step farther and suggest that even if Jacob were a pedophile, which he’s not, it wouldn’t necessarily be bad because of Renesmee’s intelligence and probable ability to consent at an earlier age than most people. I’ll note that I do not advocate literal pedophiliac acts in the real world (that’s rape), but in specific fictional situations the circumstances are different enough to revise our models of the ability to consent. I’ll bring up two other works of fiction to make my point: an episode of Star Trek, and the movie The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (I didn’t read the story it was based on, so note that this is strictly the movie version).

In the Star Trek: The volgende Generation episode “Rascals”, a mysterious transporter accident (those things are responsible for the wackiest plotlines) transforms crew members Picard, Guinan, Ro Laren, and Keiko O’Brien into their twelve-year-old selves. No one reacts to the regressed folks the same way as before the accident, and are inclined to treat them like normal children, notably with the bridge crew regarding themselves as superior to their captain because of his physical body looking like a boy. After a hard day, Keiko acts the way she usually does with her husband – romantically and intimately. He freaks out and flees, unable to reconcile the fact that his wife has regressed physically but is otherwise the same person. Instead of the doctor trying to find a way to reproduce this miracle, a cure is found; the original actors take their parts back; Picard misses his hair; the end.

In The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Benjamin Button is a boy, er, man, er, male character that was born with the physical body of an old man in baby-size, who grew up into a short old man. As he aged, his body physically regressed. This leads to a couple strange scenes where we have interaction between two characters that seem to have a giant age difference but do not. In the first, Benjamin is physically an old man interacting with six-year-old madeliefje, daisy in an intimate childhood way. One must remind themselves that Benjamin is really a little boy. Likewise, when both are old and Benjamin looks like a young boy, their physical romance looks really strange, but they are both adults despite how Benjamin may appear.

I will propose that physical appearance need not be the determining factor, but rather mental state. In the (curious) cases of Keiko O’Brien and Benjamin Button, we have adults occupying the bodies of children. If (other) adults should engage in sexual relationships with them, I don’t think it’s any different from the same scenario where everyone has the usual body. If they were to have sexual relations with pedophiles, in the context of this bizarre fictional circumstance that could never occur in the real world, I think it would be all right of at least as potentially so as any other affair between consenting adults.

In Twilight, Renesmee is not an adult in the body of a child as are the other examples, but she is highly intelligent. As she physically matures super fast and is in possession of such a powerful intellect, the normal age limits that apply to the grand majority needn’t apply to her. Should she become sexually inclined while still physically a child (it happens), I don’t think it would necessarily be the same sort of issue gegeven the strange fictional circumstances that give her the intellect of someone much older on average. I don’t know, I guess it may depend on the exact nature of the situation. Anyway, Jacob isn’t a pedophile, so this doesn’t even need to be discussed in relation to the story written door Stephenie Meyer.

In conclusion, Twilight does not depict pedophilia, and anyone who thinks so has misunderstood what Stephenie Meyer wrote. The imprinting phenomenon is not sexual in nature when the object of such is a child, making it an intense platonic friendship that develops into romance with age, and most importantly the connection is felt door both parties. The attraction between Edward and Bella is not based in pedophilia, the word itself misused door people who don’t have a clear concept of what it is other than illegal on which to act. Although certainly very strange, none of the relationships in Twilight have the properties of pedophilia of child molestation. I suspect most people who object to the weird-ages relationships either didn’t read very carefully of heard from their vrienden who didn’t read very carefully. Everyone, please note that within the fantasy genre circumstances can arise that have no real world equivalent simply because it’s meer of an intriguing product of one’s imagination than a serious commentary on reality.
posted by groovychicklisa
Edward picked me up at eight the following morning, since we had a bit of a walk ahead of us.

"Got comfy shoes on?" He asked as I got into the car.

"My favoriete sneakers." I replied.

"Good." He pulled out of the driveway and headed north on the one-oh-one, CCR's Have u ever seen the rain on the stereo. After a while, we turned onto the one-ten, and drove until it turned into a small, dirt road. He stopped, and I could see a hiking trail disappear into the woods ahead of us.

We got out of the car, and he pulled two backpacks from the trunk, handing one of them to me.

"This one's only got a couple...
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posted by Tatti
So, I decided to continue writing about Alice but this time I added Jasper's point of view. Hope u liked, if u have any thoughts about it leave a comment.

September of 1945

Jasper

So the war has been over... Too bad for me and others of my kind. It'll be harder to explain people deaths. I stopped for moment and watched clouds passing me by. What am I going to do in my life? The north would be heaven to me if I don't feel that strangling pain radiating from my victims. I can feel their fear, anger and desperation wherever I am going, it follows me to every city, every state, every country or...
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Rosalie’s P.O.V:
Hanging out with klok, bell and Ali was fun. Of course, Alice had to drag Bella and me to Victoria’s secret because she wanted us to look sexy for the men. We went to Victoria’s Secret and bought red, pink, and lacy white bras. Alice bugged Bella to buy a pair of green and white bras that Bella objected looked like hooker panties. I laughed under my breath. But eventually Alice wore Bella down. And the volgende thing Bella and I knew we were holding langeray in line rolling our eyes at Ali’s giddiness. Then we took Bella to a zoute krakeling, krakeling place to get her a zoute krakeling, krakeling to settle her hunger...
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Dear Twilighters,

Greetings to all of u from the link club! I'm Dearheart, and I'm one of the people who first founded the CAT.

Before I say anything else, let me clarify some things for you: No, I don't like Twilight and probably never will. That's just me. But I respect the people who DO like it, and I won't bite any of your heads off just because u happen to have different tastes than me. If you're crazy about Twilight, that's awesome! I won't ever criticize u for that of try to force u to "convert" to the anti side.

I'm writing this to u now because I want to let u all know, once...
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*by Stephenie Meyer*



TWILIGHT - epilogue - AN OCCASION


His hands hesitated at my waist, and he glanced at my bum leg. "Do u want to dance again? of can I help u get somewhere?"
Edward answered for me. "That's all right, Jacob. I'll take it from here."
Jacob flinched, and stared wide-eyed at Edward, who stood just beside us.
"Hey, I didn't see u there," he mumbled. "I guess I'll see u around, Bella." He stepped back, waving half-heartedly.
I smiled. "Yeah, I'll see u later."
"Sorry," he zei again before he turned for the door.
Edward's arms wound around me as the volgende song started....
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posted by _madz_
hallo guys, sorry this took so long but i had a mega homework load, plus like four tests in one week...year 12 sucks. i also had to work the entire weekend, so i didn't have much writing time. (i work at paper squared, largest scrapbooking koop in Australia, check it out....yeah, i'm shameless lol)hope u like anyway :P


His thoughts abruptly changed direction, moving onto thoughts of Alice that I would rather not see.
The teacher chose that moment to enter the room, quieting everyone.
I tried to tune out Jasper and went back to watching Bella through the minds of others.

Bella’s POV:
Would this...
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posted by Andressa_Weld
*This clothes are ridiculous
*You need bigger hight heels
*I Put all your new clothes on the roof
*Jasper told me that u are not good at sex
*you would be perfect for the role of the dwarf in Snow White
*Jasper told me he thinks I'm hot
*Esme told me that I'm her favoriete daughter
*Your power is useless, the visions change
*I think Jane is taller than you
*Your hair looks like a bezem
*Bella hates you
*What was your human mother name?
*I donated your new clothes to Jacob and Sam
*Edward told me that when Charlie first saw u he thought that u were Bella's 8 years old cousin
*Last night Emmett and I had sex in your car and broke it
*by Stephenie Meyer*



TWILIGHT - chapter 13 - CONFESSIONS


Edward in the sunlight was shocking. I couldn't get used to it, though I'd been staring at him all afternoon. His skin, white despite the faint flush from yesterday's hunting trip, literally sparkled, like thousands of tiny diamonds were embedded in the surface. He lay perfectly still in the grass, his overhemd, shirt open over his sculpted, incandescent chest, his scintillating arms bare. His glistening, pale lavender lids were shut, though of course he didn't sleep. A perfect statue, carved in some unknown stone, smooth like marble, glittering...
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*by Stephenie Meyer*



TWILIGHT - chapter 10 - INTERROGATIONS


It was very hard, in the morning, to argue with the part of me that was sure last night was a dream. Logic wasn't on my side, of common sense. I clung to the parts I couldn't have imagined - like his smell. I was sure I could never have dreamed that up on my own.
It was foggy and dark outside my window, absolutely perfect. He had no reason not to be in school today. I dressed in my heavy clothes, remembering I didn't have a jacket. Further proof that my memory was real.
When I got downstairs. Charlie was gone again - I was running later...
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posted by twilightrox43
This is a strange one. Hmmm... <3

Off I go to get Bella. It doesn't make sense. Bella just dashed after her and didn't return. I whirled into the thick trees. Ariella and Bella were like identical twins door personality. I was starting to believe Alice was getting a bit jealous. I first noticed the absolute clue when she came whizzing up behind. "Alice, what are u doing? Go back home. It's fine." I ordered. "No," she replied simply. I didn't go on more. I knew she cared about Bella. We found her leaning over a shaking Ariella, shock spreading on her face. Sounds bristled in the woods. The...
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posted by twilight-7
I felt Edward slide into my bed and opened my eyes to see him looking at me worriedly. I instantly blocked my mind. I couldn’t have him finding out from my thoughts.
“How are u feeling?” he asked me.
“Better,”I said. “You were gone.”
“I had to go see Alice,” he pulled me onto his lap. “I wanted to know if she saw Mitchell coming anytime soon.”
“And did she?”
“No, apparently he’s still undecided. Though from the vision u had u would think he knew.”
I nodded. They knew about my vision. Someone had to know because I was sure it wasn’t me in that vision.
“Maybe...
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this must be my quew charlie thought comming up and tapped me on the back i nodded onse and went to stand and watch with everyone els.
airnt u going ro ask your own mother to dance? esme thought i quickly held my hand out as an invertation. she took it and we started toward the dance floor we walsted around my mind a amillion miles away "whats the matter?" esme asked looking conserned
"mike newton" i muttered it was one thing him flirting with her but a nother dreaming about her that way.
esme chuckled "edward dear bella chose u and do u think he is going to take her away from you?"
"no...
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New Moon came out the 20th. Since then, I've seen it 5 times. Each time, I noticed a few things I didn't catch the first time.

I'll start off with the things that were the same everytime I watched it.

-Taylor's Acting: I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he did a terrible job. Not necessarily as Jacob, but as an actor. I may sound harsh, but he went over the top, boven in many scenes. I'm not saying Kristen of Rob's acting was extraordinary, but Taylor's was extremely blatant and noticeable. Scene in particular:
- the movie theatre scene: "Do u want me to put u in the hospital?!"...
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so, i suppose the titel is self explanitory...
anyway, this story is currently geplaatst on the Eternal Night spot, so if u would like to keep reading, thats where it is :)
enjoy.



Fire and Ice
~~
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favour fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
Robert Frost.

I glanced up at the clock, even though I knew exactly how long had passed. I should know; I’d been counting the seconds.
I was sitting in my car around...
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 Zafrina
Zafrina
Renessemee was now turning six.We all at her party.She was running around hugging everyone she could.Rosalie excited for baby Renessemee.Everyone still called her a baby.She's just as adoreable as one.Kinda hard not to.Esme inside getting the presents together.Bella standing with me.Watching our baby girl.Renessemee was only six but looked ten.But not like most ten jaar olds.She was meer intellegent,More slender,she read poetry at night instead of bedtime stories.She also in joyed the book wheithering hieghts.Just like Bella when she was human.Esme came out with two boxes in her hands.Carsisle...
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posted by myau
A.k.a. 10 ways to get yourself killed.

10: Sign him up for anger management.
…no one can deny he doesn’t need it

9: “Accidentally” sign him up for an Edward fan club. Force him to go to every single meeting.

8: Force him to play a game with u that u invented. Change the rules every 5 seconden so he loses.

7: toon him those love letters “Victoria” sent Edward.

6: Tell him Victoria likes men who wear tutus. Buy him one; get all offended when he doesn’t wear it. Start crying and don’t stop until he puts it on. Video tape him in it and send it to the Cullens’, the Volturi, the Quileutes,...
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posted by twilight-7
My eyelids shot open. I don’t know why. I just woke up very fast. I sat up to find Edward no longer lying volgende to me but he should have been because that’s where I left him last night. I looked around my room thinking he’d pop out randomly from anywhere and say ‘BOO!’ but he didn’t.
That’s when I felt the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I suddenly felt like I was being watched. I looked around my room again. There was no one here. So how could someone be watching me?
I pushed the covers off and got out of bed. The hairs on the back of my neck were still standing up, warning...
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Chapter 4

*Bella’s pov*

I kissed Nessie and hugged her goodbye.
“Bye honey, be good.” I said.
She’s going to Italy with Aro. Her eyes were wide in horror. Maybe, afraid about Aro and the rest of the Volturi.
Edward, who was beside me, carried her. Nessie kissed me for the last time and punched Edward on face, telling him, “Bye dad. Wish me luck. “
Edward kissed her on her forehead and put her down. She kissed everyone goodbye except Emmett. Nessie went straight to the plane without looking at him. Emmett’s eyes were confused.
At the door, I saw her waving her hand, crying, I waved...
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posted by WritenOnTheSand
Fear is such an overrated word. Insecurity now thats a good one. At this moment I feel that one emotion that everyone hates when u want to hide under a rock.

I lean back agains the uithangbord hitting my head against it. A loud thud echoes through the house. I can see that my grandparents have heard. There slow foot steps thud against the hard wood floor.

"Laylia? Is that you?" Grandpas voice sound from the corner around the stair case. I quickly gather my self up and swiftly run to my room.

The hours went door slowly as I layed in bed that night. The morning has finaly come and i now have to prepare...
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posted by rose_emmett
Okay I couldnt wait any longer to write this! Its gonna be fun!




Renesmee's POV:

I grabbed my surf board from the shack and we headed back down to the beach.

"Okay so u have no clue how to surf?" I asked.

"Yup, no clue." he zei with a smile.

"Okay. Um...do u at least no how to stand on a surf board?" i asked.

"Do u really think that if I have no clue how to surf I know how to stand on the board?" he zei sarcastically.

"Okay dumb question." I zei as I started walking to the water.

"Im going to first teach u how to stand on it." I zei as I layed the board down on the sand where the waves rolled...
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