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posted by yemi_hikari
Everyone knows Rowling and Meyer's stance on fanfiction and the fact both writers have gegeven a thumbs up of sorts. However, there is something I don't think either one of them would of approve of and it involves those Reading the Books a lot of people are supposedly writing. I say supposedly writing because copying from another persons work is not writing unless u are quoting under fair use. And boy... every single Reading the boeken I've come across is not in fair use and constitutes plagiarism. I know how to write one that doesn't constitute plagiarism, but I'll save that until the end.

One of the arguments I've seen is that it is just fanfiction so it doesn't matter if they are committing plagiarism and copyright infringement in their stories because it is just for fun. However, when u publiceer something to the net it is not just for fun anymore. When a person is found out to have plagiarized the rest of their work will come under vraag about whether of not it is also stolen of not. That is unless your a really young writer who hasn't yet learned what plagiarism is and then people are meer willing to give u a seconde chance. This is because plagiarists tend to be serial in what they do rather then sticking to just one piece.

The seconde argument is that fanfiction can't be called out for plagiarism because it is a copyright issue and to call fanfiction out on a copyight issue is to call into vraag the entire work as fanfiction uses copyrighted material. I am going to point out here that copyright infringement and plagiarism are two different things. Copyright infringement means u used the material without the persons permission and plagiarism means u stal the persons work and passed it off as your own. For example, u can plagiarize Shakesphere and any of the other works that have fallen into public domain. Since no one has the copyright nobody can take u to court for plagiarizing the work because it is the copyright holder that gets the money in a lawsuit.

The third argument comes from the fact some people believe disclaiming the work means u haven't committed plagiarism and u can't get in trouble for plagiarism. link ]Plagiarism.org[/url] puts it well. Under their lijst of things that are considered plagiarism it lists ”copying so many words of ideas from a bron that it makes up the majority of your work, whether u give credit of not (see our section on "fair use" rules)”.

So how much is to much? Some people may remember their teachers telling them that if their work is thirty percent of less then the writer is within fair use. I'm going to point out that this is for essays and not creative writing. There isn't an exact percentage, but it should be under one percent of your work when it comes to copyrighted material and even that can be too much as two to four lines per chapter is also an added limit. So what does this in fact mean? It means that the majority of the Reading the boeken fanfics consitute plagiarism.

Some may say, but I paraphrased the boeken so I should be fine. Here is another quote from the site I gave u from the list. It includes, “changing words but copying the sentence structure of a bron without giving credit” and the whole copying to much from the original bron in fact also counts despite having changed the wording around and paraphrased the work And here some people may be thinking, but I use the characters so that is plagiarism right? Nope. As I've said, copyright infringement is different from plagiarism.

The disclaimers may not save u when u take the actual words, but when u admit to borrowing the concepts from the boeken your covered. Unless of course the writer decides to not allow people to write fanfiction for their stories and they are going to push vooruit, voorwaarts their right to be the sole person to create derivative works off their work. The exception to the rule is parody as parody is protected under fair use.

The Reading the boeken issue is an epidemic and it isn't restrained to just the Harry Potter and the Twilight fandoms. A lot of people claim that banning Reading the boeken stories from sites infringes upon their freedom of speech of their creative freedom forgetting that what they are doing is infringing upon the rights of someone they are supposed to be a fan of in the first place. Those who write Reading the boeken of support them in some manner are in the wrong, not the site admins, not the writer nor the people calling them out for what they are doing.

That said, it is possible to write an actual Reading the boeken fanfic. I refuse to call the stuff that I've been finding fanfic because as I've pointed out, copying someone else work is not writing. Some people are probably thinking it is impossible, but then they are not thinking outside of the box.

Avoid quoting and paraphrasing the work. Particularly don't do it on sites where copying is not allowed at all. u can write sentences like “Lily read the book until she got to what a brat her sister's son was.” Do not fill your work with the above sentences but instead make each chapter a focal point around one of these sentences. For example, Lily might storm over to her sister and lecture her about how to properly take care of kids for one chapter.

Some people may say, but that defeats the purpose of the Reading the Books. As I am going to point out, the stuff that is being put out is not writing but is instead all over the place. The writers are throwing jokes left and right and the works are unfocused, not to mention so many of them are exactly the same because they are following the same restrictive structure rather then actually thinking outside of the box.

I look vooruit, voorwaarts to seeing a legit Reading the boeken fanfic made, because it will showcase the writers potential a whole lot meer rather then the writer relying on another writers words as a crutch. So, while I'll defend the idea behind the Reading the Book fanfic I refuse to defend the ones that have been deleted from sites for obvious reasons. Support the writers of Reading the boeken who are doing the right thing instead of the ones who aren't.
Twihards of Rabid fans (thats obsessive Twilight fans, all of you): Don't read this. I don't want to get mauled of drowned.
I apologize for any spelling of grammar errors.
Don't get me wrong- I like Twilight just fine. However, many parts of it really annoyed me. Here are my reasons why I liked Harry Potter better.

1. Characters.
Lets compare:
Lead female role in HP: Hermione Granger. Flaws: a bit nerdy, Know-it-all, and Bossy. Good traits: Stood up for herself (as well as think for herself), worked against racism (for house-elves), was loyal to Harry at all times, and didn't try to kill herself...
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posted by SpeedyGonzalez
I Speedy Gonzalez did not write this I merely copied and pasted it. The original may be found link.

I got Breaking Dawn on the dag that it came out and was hoping that Meyer would somehow redeem the steadily deteriorating quality of the Twilight series. What a huge disappointment. I was even meer disappointed when I found out how Meyer was responding to the criticism towards it. Then I discovered that she was writing Midnight Sun. I looked vooruit, voorwaarts to that because, even though all of the boeken suck, they are a guilty pleasure and Twilight was the best of all of them. Then she stopped writing...
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posted by lilcherrywine
Dear friends,
This is my first attempt at writing a creative article. I've attempted the facebook page of HP, and hope u like it. Sorry for the lame humor, it's my very first time. Thanks for reading, and please drop in your comments, because I need your opinion. Thanks again.


HP’S fb page


HARRY POTTER

Went to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
Lives in London.
Knows English, Parseltongue
From Godric’s Hollow
Born on July 31, 1880




Cho Chang: Harry, I had a trip with dad and mom to Forks last week and I spotted Cedric there. Yes, Harry, I saw him. I don’t know what’s happening, I mean,...
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Now to anyone of the teensy-beensy minority that has never heard of Twilight's male protagonist, Edward Cullen, he supposedly a vampire that falls in deep "love" with a human girl named Bella.

Now I must object to this beschrijving of the Edward and Bella (Edella of Bedward, lol). While the relationship is described as being true love, I personally think that the relationship is any BUT deep, true love. It is, in my, along with many other fanpoppers, opinion that this relationship is extraordinarily unhealthy and codependent, and that Edward's supposed "love" is obsessive love.

Obsessive love:...
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posted by PotterLambert93
Today, I read a post from "youknowit101" on "1000 Reason why Twilight is better than harry Potter", and it completley gave me seconde thoughts about this whole thing between the rival series. According to this guy, he is very ashamed at the HP fans for attacking the Twilight fans and how immature they are, and to be honest, I now couldn't agree more. He's right, HP fans, we are the immature ones, not the Twilighters. We Potterheads are taking HP for granted and using it to rub it in other people's faces.

Now I see why Twilight fans barley respond to the debates and articles, and it's because...
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posted by sy-sy
why deos twilight annoy me? because when twilight came out everyone 4 got hp then the new hp movie came out and they loved hp again thgen twilight movie came out people just cant make up their minds well i can ive seen all the hp movie so far and twilight and even though hp leave s out some stuff its still TEN times better twilight is annoying becuz they think they can come in and steal the whole toon that why oppion of a hpfan gcsfdsjhvcdshvcwrivhrweuvghbersvksfdhvsklvhjsdfvklsdfvb dfc bvhdx jkhdfvoperfcujrehvcjfdvhhhjukdsxhcdsjcv
posted by SpeedyGonzalez
I, SpeedyGonzalez did NOT write this. I just merely copyed and pasted it.

Ah, yes, Stephenie Meyer, auteur of the Twilight series. My opinion of her, from the way that she has presented herself to the public in interviews and such, is that she is a whiny, self absorbed woman with the mind of a 13 jaar old. She can't deal with criticism because it hurts her delicate little feelings, and believes that she is an amazing writer and that her story and characters are somehow superior to those seen in the works of people such as Jane Austen and William Shakespeare. Here's one statement that shows that...
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Okay, so a lot of people have been asking that I put meer debate stuff and reasons why I think Twilight is better. Now that we're all vrienden and don't hate eachother anymore, I hope we can all have a reasonable debate.

But before I start, I want to say that I don't compleatley hate Harry Potter anymore. I saw the Deathly Hallows today, my friend is somewhat of a fan, and wanted to see it. I reluctaintly went with her, and it actually wasn't that bad. u see, I read the first-fourth Harry Potter books, and read most of the seventh. The Deathly Hallows movie was much better than the book in...
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Hello everyone!

I'm planning on writing a letter to Stephenie Meyer regarding the Twilight series. I wanted to address all the points many people do not like in the series. The letter is going to be friendly and straight-forward. I wanted to hear what everyone would want me to include. These are a few of the topics I am going to be including:

- Anti-feminism
- Abusive relationship
- Unhealthy obsession
- Lust does not equal love
- Bella is horribly rude to her vrienden (not valued friendships)

These are just a few. Please add anything and if there is something specific you'd like me to add.

I'll be working on this letter and posting on Sunday on Fanpop, so I can add anything else and have your approval and then I will send it to her.
I understand that Seth probably won't let it get to her, but it's worth a shot and I will post his reply (assuming he does reply.)

Thank you! :)
posted by Kassaremidylynn
I wrote this a while geleden for my English class. We had to write about something we felt strongly about, and I feel very strongly about this, so...

Many people think that I would be an avid Twilight lover and a hater of the Harry Potter boeken after their first impression. What they see may seem to point to that: I’m a fifteen jaar old girl who devours books, is a self-proclaimed hopeless romantic, loves all things vampire related, and I wear a ton of black. In reality, this couldn’t be far from the truth. It is actually the complete opposite. I absolutely despise anything Twilight related...
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posted by GemonkDruid
A/N: I just thought it would be an interesting subject, u know? And before u do anything, just to let u know, I FAIL at characterisation. So don't go all batshit on me if I get Hermione of anyone else wrong, 'kay?

Today, on the 17th of October, the court session for the famous "Meyer Case" was initiated. Stephenie Meyer, founder of Twilight, inc., the billion-dollar advertising company, was arrested on several charges, including: allegations of fraud charged door worldwide companies Feminism, inc., 3D pwns 2D, and Literature n Books; the murder of various brain cells; abuse and rape of thesarus,...
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posted by emilykuru
Fanfiction:

edward-bella vs harry-ginny

Edward and bella go to a railway station during one rainy dag in london. They meet harry and ginny there,

( bella is not changed into a vampire yet )

Edward: bella love, close your eyes please!

Bella: why edward?

(thinks to himself)

Edward : just yesterday I had promised her that she was the prettiest one I have ever seen, but here here is ginny who looks so pretty.
And bella should better stay away from harry, of she will ditch me like jake..

( meanwhile harry is using legilimence when edward is busy thinking )

Harry: well, why am I going to eye a crackpot...
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There once was this girl named Bri, who had a best friend (for this article, we'll call her Z). Bri and Z had identical taste in books. So, when Z gave Bri Twilight for Christmas and told her how “great” it was and kept going on and on. She tried to convince Bri that it was better than Harry Potter (the book Bri had been obsessed with since she was nine) but Bri didn't believe that at all. Still, if Z liked it, then Bri knew she would like it. She had no hesitation when she cracked the binding. She was hooked.

Now, this was before Twilight grew to be psychotically massive, so when Bri came...
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Before u start reading, I'd like to say this is my personal opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. If I am, I'd appreciate u don't get mad because I don't like fighting. It wasn't meant to be rude, mean of hurtfull to anybody.

For me Twilight was too easy to read. I could predict what would happen and the plot was too easy. The thing is, the plot isn't bad. Vampires exist, that's cool. u know one, yes, very cool. But the way Stephenie Meyer introduces it, how she developed her characters, how she modeled the vampire species, that is where Twilight gets people annoyed. It represent the iceburg that...
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It's pretty obvious from just my gebruikersnaam that I am a 'Twilighter',but I will try not to be biast in this article. So, lets compare the two...

Which made meer money?

♥ The movie 'Twilight' made $69,637,740 in the USA and £2,508,422 in the UK, in its opening weekend. 'Harry Potter and the sorcerers stone/philosphers stone' made $90,294,621 in the USA and £16,335,627 in the UK, in its opening weekend.

♥ 'New Moon' in its opening weekend made $142,839,137 in the USA and £11,683,158 in the UK, whereas 'Harry Potter and the Chamber of secrets' made $88,357,488 in the USA and £18,871,829 in...
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I have researched the following and well, I am not really surprised about the results. But I still ask some questions.

Why is Twilight meer "popular" when HP sold meer than 400 million while Twilight only sold 53 million? Also, Twilight is just 45% in the tomaat meter while HP is 83% in the tomaat meter? Third, Twilight sold about $191,449,475 while HP sold about $283,879,025? Another is Twilight is never shown in Kid's almanacs (the World and Time yearly almanacs) while HP is seen may times over. Twilight fans, don't u see, HP is better even of u turn the world upside down of inside out!...
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added by Brysis
added by cassie-1-2-3
Source: education.wisc.edu
posted by LilRavenclaw95
These are the weirdest, saddest Twilight defenses on the planet. *NOTE: I have nothing against reasonable Twilight fans, but ones like this? *facepalm*

Tiwlite deost scuk jew bichezz!!!!!1!!” twilite iz da beste buck i hav evar red in mi lief!!!! so wat if inot have red so maney bks in my lief!! i actualey hav ay lieff and bukks hapen to b four peeple wizout eny frends!!!!!!!1111 sou dant juzt PRUVVEZ hou gud twilit iz!!!!!!!!! adn anuzer ding i am sexteen not twelve adn i reeli LUVE TWAILITE wish usst PRUVVEZ it iz four mature, enteliggent peepolnot like hary poter dat is juzt four lusers...
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